Mageia 10 Cauldron already open?

[Bequimao]

Hi,

I changed the repos in my Cauldron installation from cauldron to mageia. I don't recall of anything else to switch Cauldron to the current release, nor do I find anything in the wikl.
It appears that the system switched to Mageia 10, and it is shown up as Mageia 10 by osprober of Mageia 8. Note that I used and use exclusively dnf as package manager.

See here

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[root@mga9-alpha ~]# dnf repolist
repo id                                                                      repo name
mageia-x86_64                                                                Mageia 10 - x86_64
mageia-x86_64-nonfree                                                        Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Nonfree
mageia-x86_64-tainted                                                        Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Tainted
updates-x86_64                                                               Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Updates
updates-x86_64-nonfree                                                       Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Nonfree - Updates
updates-x86_64-tainted                                                       Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Tainted - Updates
[root@mga9-alpha ~]#
[root@mga9-alpha ~]# dnf upgrade --refresh
Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Nonfree                                                                                                               65  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'mageia-x86_64-nonfree': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Nonfree - Updates                                                                                                     63  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'updates-x86_64-nonfree': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Tainted                                                                                                               65  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'mageia-x86_64-tainted': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Tainted - Updates                                                                                                     65  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'updates-x86_64-tainted': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Mageia 10 - x86_64                                                                                                                         64  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'mageia-x86_64': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Mageia 10 - x86_64 - Updates                                                                                                               65  B/s |  58  B     00:00
Error: Failed to download metadata for repo 'updates-x86_64': Cannot prepare internal mirrorlist: No URLs in mirrorlist
Ignoring repositories: mageia-x86_64-nonfree, updates-x86_64-nonfree, mageia-x86_64-tainted, updates-x86_64-tainted, mageia-x86_64, updates-x86_64
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!
[root@mga9-alpha ~]#
[root@mga9-alpha ~]# dnf upgrade --releasever=9 --refresh
Mageia 9 - x86_64 - Nonfree                                                                                                               1.2 kB/s | 2.0 kB     00:01
Mageia 9 - x86_64 - Nonfree - Updates                                                                                                     826  B/s | 1.5 kB     00:01
Mageia 9 - x86_64 - Tainted                                                                                                               225  B/s | 1.5 kB     00:06
Mageia 9 - x86_64 - Tainted - Updates                                                                                                     1.1 kB/s | 1.5 kB     00:01
Mageia 9 - x86_64                                                                                                                         452  B/s | 2.5 kB     00:05
Mageia 9 - x86_64 - Updates                                                                                                               1.1 kB/s | 1.5 kB     00:01
Dependencies resolved.
Nothing to do.
Complete!
[root@mga9-alpha ~]#
[root@mga9-alpha ~]# cat /etc/system-release
Mageia release 10 (Cauldron) for x86_64
[root@mga9-alpha ~]#
[root@mga9-alpha ~]#

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[root@mga9-alpha ~]# rpm -qa | grep -v mga9
gpg-pubkey-80420f66-4d4fe123
lsb-release-3.1-6.mga10
meta-task-10-0.1.mga10

Best regards,
Bequimão

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[sturmvogel]

It was announced on the dev mailing list that cauldron for MGA10 is open...

[Bequimao]

It was announced on the dev mailing list that cauldron for MGA10 is open...

Yes. So users involuntarily upgraded to Mageia 10 Cauldron and eventually broken their systems.

[sturmvogel]

No. Cauldron users know that cauldron is a permanent (rolling) development version without a final release date. That means when you set your repos to cauldron your system stays cauldron. When you miss the exact date for the new released version to change your repos you will have a mess like you have. But switching from a release to cauldron and back to release is no intented scenario and depends on the skills of the cauldron user.
(And cauldron users know and get warned that their system can and will break!)

Normal users which use released versions like MGA7, MGA8, MGA9 can't break anything because they get notified when there is a new release.

[xerxes2]

The repos may be open but got very slow updates. I've been running Cauldron for more than a decade I think and can't remember noticing this slowness before. Even core packages like python. gtk, systemd, mesa etc are not beeing updated. Am I seeing ghosts or is it unusual for Cauldron to be lagging like this?

[sturmvogel]

Not that hard to find out why it got slower....packages like mesa and systemd where maintained by tmb....

[morgano]

Another reason could be if you are using a mirror that is not updated, there are a couple that often have problems.

[Bequimao]

No, the problem was lack of dnf metadata as shown in the output. The repos named Cauldron-* probably would have worked as usually in Cauldron installations.

I tried to recover Mageia 9 Cauldron but failed. The installation was definitely borked. As I don't want to run Mageia 10 Cauldron before Mageia 8 goes to end-of-live, the installation and backup are gone now. And nobody else complained a problem or opened a bug report.

Best regards,
Bequimão

[morgano]

I do not clearly understand what you try to say, but for me syncing using dnf worked well.
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Using_DNF#Sy ... with_repos

[xerxes2]

Another reason could be if you are using a mirror that is not updated, there are a couple that often have problems.

Swedish mirror is superfast and updates every hour. You should know that my fellow swede. Just noticed in the bugzilla that glibc is outdated too in Cauldrom. This is abysmal. Glibc is lagging behind two releases and it doesn't get any more core than that. Why? It's free, doesn't cost anything more than a little time for a package maintainer to update it. This reminds about that scene from a bad boys movie.

https://youtu.be/uvqJ1mTkEuY?si=tkK-p7rkayWPifA8

[doktor5000]

Feel free to help contribute as packager, as that also doesn't cost you anything: https://www.mageia.org/contribute/

[morgano]

Jo jag vet umu.se är mycket tillförlitlig.

Well there are about three hundred packages per day submitted to the build system.
Apart from thet people work on preparations locally, and keep knowledge updated.
And in Bugzilla we have many postings per day.
Some people work in maintaining servers and build systems.
Other people work on Wiki or help out in forums.
No to mention all activity around a new release.

People who like Mageia, just come in and help out.
This distro is entirely maintained by helpful people offering spare time

[xerxes2]

I remember that I was seeding Mageia 8 and earlier releases like crazy 24/7. Mageia 9 is completely dead on torrent. Something just feels off the last year or so. I have never done anything useful myself either more than trying to help out a bit in the forums and update the wiki. Now when core packages are beeing outdated in Cauldron "this shit just got real" haha!!

[morgano]

Mageia 9 is completely dead on torrent.

Problem with your ISP or forgot to open firewall?
I have seeded the Mageia 9 ISOs since aug 25.
Computer is on maybe 10 hurs day average.
Connection is fibre 250 Mbaud (?) symmetric.
64 bit installer i have sent 280 Gbyte, the other less, down to 43 Gbyte of Live xfce i586
But yes it is most of the *time* dead, bits rush out so fast nowadays...

[xerxes2]

Torrent works fine, I'm not giving much bandwith though. Still it's dead most of the time. Some good news now. A while back I was pleasantly surprised to see that someone uploaded the gtk4 plugin for gstreamer. That was basically the only low-level package I was building myself in Cauldron. But still, seeing those packages mentioned already in this thread outdated in Cauldron is scary. Not even Gnome updates anymore. Right now I got a nasty graphical bug that I think is a bug in Mesa. Graphics just get slower and slower. Got a pretty fast AMD 5600g and it's just graphical related. But seeing Mesa outdated in Cauldron I'm out of luck.

[xerxes2]

Got tired of playing the waiting game so yesterday I updated Mesa myself. And it was easy, just hit the update button so I can not understand what the hold up is all about? Anyway, computer is flying again so hopefully this weird graphical problem was fixed in the newest Mesa release. Cauldrons Mesa is very old so I recommend everybody with AMD graphics at least to update it themselves.

[morgano]

Updated mesa yourself? What update button?
We shipped mesa-23.1.9-1.mga9 as a normal update 1 December. https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32562

[xerxes2]

That version of Mesa is completely outdated. I updated to latest version 23.3.0 which hopefully solves the problems with AMD graphics.

I meant the update button on the buildserver. Why not update it already?

[sturmvogel]

That version of Mesa is completely outdated.

Sorry but this is utter nonsense. Mesa 23.1.9 is the latest stable release. Mesa 23.2.1 and Mesa 23.3 are developement releases. You could check that yourself with a basic research on the Mesa homepage...
Not even openSUSE Tumbleweed, which is a rolling release with mostely bleeding edge versions, ships Mesa 23.3

[xerxes2]

Never heard of that before. Mesa's minor versions are stable. Haven't used Suse in a few decades but Fedora got 23.3.0 already.

Mesa 23.3.0 is a new development release. People who are concerned with stability and reliability should stick with a previous release or wait for Mesa 23.3.1.

This taken from Mesa's site I've never seen before in any project. That it's not considered "stable" until release switches to 1.

Looking at openSuse Tumbleweed they seems to got 23.2.1 at least. But I have no idea how fast they usually updates packages really. Maybe they consider 23.3.0 unstable?

[xerxes2]

Haven't rebooted my computer since upgrading to latest Mesa and it's as snappy as newly booted. So the prblem with AMD graphics seems to be fixed now. Hopefully soon Mesa will be upgraded in Cauldron.

[xerxes2]

Yes Mesa got upgraded. Thank you!! Not so many core packages left now until Cauldron is properly updated.