Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia 3

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Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia 3

Postby aselluza » Jun 27th, '13, 17:00

Hello, I'd like to share some general impressions about the evolution I feel in Linux and some critical problems I'm having in Mageia 3, just in case someone else is experimenting the same.
I've been using Linux for many years -I think since Mandrake 8.0-, mainly using Mandrake, Mandriva, and last years Mageia. I sufered Windows for too many years, I hated -and still hate- it, and I used to say very proued that my computer never crashed, I never had to restart it, etc. since I used Linux. It lacked of some other things, my my computer was always stable and reliable, and also pretty faster than working in Windows. Firefox was thousand years ahead Internet Explorer, faster, safe, stable... Years past and Linux distros developed a lot, they improved many things, but I feel last years those changes came along with more errors, system and programs crashing more often, slower behavior, many programs freezing... But even that the Linux experience was pretty good.

For example, since Mageia 1 or 2, not sure, one of my favourite programs, Amarok, became useless and I gave up using it. I've tried in Mageia 3 and the first time I just tried to load my music collection it froze forever. Useless program for me. But Clementine was working pretty fine and I got used to it. Now, in Mageia 3, I feel Clementine started to behave same as Amarok: freezing all the time, slowing a lot the whole computer...

Exploreing internet is antoher point that is becoming pretty disgusting. Firefox is not a fast explorer anymore, and what is worse, it works faster in my virtual Windows XP, with just 640Mb RAM, than in my main Mageia 3 system with 2Gb RAM. I must kill it so often that it also started to be useless. All the time scripts stop the whole system -the same about scripts in Thunderbird-. I've started to use Chrome more often, but it has some similar problems as it's far from having a fast navigation.

I must use VMWare for my profesional work, tu use a program only running in Windows, and a long time ago I realized if I had firefox and VMWare running the same time, it started to become unstable and veeeeeery slow. Now, the same happens when I'm working in my virtual machine and playing music in Clementine the same time. But in Mageia 3 it's more critical, as almost everyday, sooner or later, my computer freezes, hard drive start to read forever, never stops and system never comes back until I just shut down the computer. I must shut it down and restart at least once a day, yesterday twice, sometimes losing the work I did for the last hour.

I'm using KDE, but I also tried GNOME, thinking that it used to be lighter and faster, but it freezes as well and it's not faster at all. Same problems than in KDE.

Of course, I'll keep using Mageia, I'm not thinking about changing to another distro, but I wonder if Linux is taking the right way, becoming slower from distro to distro. My computer should be now much faster than the one I had when I started to use Linux, but the result is that it works much slower than many years ago. And I use it for the same things, with more or less the same programs.... I guess people working around Linux should think about it, maybe there are more important things than making a better looking distro or better looking programs, if it means the whole system will be slower, will freeze much more often, you'll have to kill programs all the time to make it work better...

I don't know anything about programming, I'm a simple user, so I can only give the impressions of a simple user.

Hope this helps in some way...

Long life to Linux and long life to Mageia :mrgreen:
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby daniewicz » Jul 1st, '13, 03:38

Hello,

Longtime Mandriva user (though not as long as you, since 2005) and now Mageia user. I am currently running Mageia 2 with KDE.

I am currently not seeing crashing or slow behavior, nor have I seen any such trends toward slow behavior over the years. I wonder if you are having hardware problems? For me, Linux remains as fast and snappy as it did in 2005.

I do agree that some programs have become bloated and slow such as Amarok. I now use Audacious and it is adequate for my needs. I do confess to disabling some of KDE features such as kwallet and nepomuk. I do agree that firefox is no longer the lean browser it was originally marketed as, but I have been impressed with the speed of Chromium.

I encourage you to explore possible hardware issues. Do you know how to clear the CMOS on your motherboard? Do you know how to check the integrity of your RAM with memcheck? What does hdparm have to say about your hard drive performance?
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby banjo » Jul 1st, '13, 04:19

I have been using Linix since 2003 starting with Mandrake 9.1.

I am still running Mandriva 2010.2 and looking to upgrade to Mageia 3 soon.

I have had problems similar to yours on this system and Mandy 2010.2. In one case, memory usage went to 100% all the time and the system slowed to a crawl. After many weeks of trouble shooting I finally fixed the problem by replacing a failing hard disk. The log files were full of retries on the disk. The smartctl program indicated that the disk was not in good health. I suspect that the spooler was filling up RAM because it could not write to the disk.

Another time, I had a problem where CPU usage went to 100% all the time and the system crawled. In that case I finally fixed it by replacing the mother board. It was also a disk access problem, but this time the SATA ports did not seem to work. Reseating the SATA cable seemed to fix it for a while, but not for long. That was a FOXCONN mother board, and it never did work right. I now have an ASUS MOBO and all is well.

So I agree that you should explore hardware issues before giving up on Linux. Edit /var/log/messages and search for key words such as "ERROR".

Try out the program "smartctl". It will query the hard disk to do a self check and print out any accumulated errors.

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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 1st, '13, 20:27

Thank you for your feedback, Banjo. In my case, the problem is that I have 3 computers, one of themn pretty new, and the behavior is pretty the same in the 3 of them, and I'm afraid it's not a hard disk problem in all of them. Anyway, I'll check it. As I wrote, the problem is with some programs, when those programs are not working, specially when Clementine and VMWare are not working, it behaves pretty well and I could say fast too. The problems with firefox and Chrome and all those scripts I guess are because of the software and not the hardware. As I wrote, it's curious that firefox works faster -although with script problems too- in my virtual Windows XP working inside VMWare than in the native Mageia Linux. I will never give up using Linux and I'll never go back to Windows, but with all these problems I'm afraid about the priorities in Linux distros development and if they someteime point the right direction.
I could refer another minor problem since Mageia 2: very often, when I try to open MCC, the first attempt it just prompt the splash image and then MCC close, and only in the second try it keeps open
I can't find smartctl in Mageia repositories...
Thankx anyway!
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 1st, '13, 20:31

Hi daniewicz, thank you too. As I wrote, I experiment similar behavior in all my 3 computers, one of them very new one, with the same programs. I don't use kwallet and nepomuk, I always disable them as for me are useless. Anyway, about your questions, "Do you know how to clear the CMOS on your motherboard? Do you know how to check the integrity of your RAM with memcheck? What does hdparm have to say about your hard drive performance?" I must say I don't know to all of them... :oops:
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby daniewicz » Jul 2nd, '13, 01:12

You can clear the motherboard settings and return everything to default condition by clearing the CMOS. The easiest way to do this is to power down the computer, unplug, and remove the battery from the motherboard for a few minutes. This can be useful if the motherboard has some minor corruption.

Download "The Ultimate Boot CD" and burn it to a CD. Insert this CD into your computer an boot. You can now run numeous diagnostics including memcheck, which is useful to check the integrity of your RAM.

hdparm is a command line linux tool to measure hard driver performance.
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 2nd, '13, 01:32

Ok, I'll try what I can... Let's see if I guess where the motherboard battery is... I run hdparm but I don't know how to use it, which options...
I still think it's a software problem -for example, computer never freeze and hard disk behaves normal when I'm not using Clementine and VMWare same time, those problems only ocur when both programs run same time, the problem is that I must work in VMWare and I love working with my favorite music playing...; when Clementine and VMWare are not running it wokrs fine and fast, only firefox and thunderbird scripts become sometimes a pin in the ass; all of those problems both in KDE and in GNOME...-. And all that hapens in all my 3 compuetrs and only with those programs I mentioned. All the rest is working great. The big problem is that they are the programs I use the most... :roll:
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 2nd, '13, 14:48

Last days I kept Clementine, Firefox and Chromium off while working in VMWare and everything goes fine. Now I've been working in VMWare for an hour while playing my music in Audacious, and eberything is fine and fast. So I'm afraid the problems are not about the hardware or about the whole system, but about the resources used by Clementine, Firefox, Chromiun and VMWare, specially when combined at the same time VMWare whith any of them, speciallu with Clementine -my computer only freezes completely when VMWare is working and Clementine is running-. My computer hasn't frozen for at least 4 days, working whole day fine. It's a pitty that about Clementine, because for me it's far away from audacious or from rythmbox... All the rest in Mageia works really nice and fast. :-)
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby daniewicz » Jul 3rd, '13, 03:35

I am not a clementime user. Perhaps somebody out there in the forum uses this software and can make some suggestions?

I am glad you have been able to isolate your problem even though you do not have a solution yet.
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 3rd, '13, 03:43

daniewicz wrote:I am not a clementime user. Perhaps somebody out there in the forum uses this software and can make some suggestions?

I am glad you have been able to isolate your problem even though you do not have a solution yet.

Yep, at least I know which programs I shouldn't use together... It's a pitty, I hope it'll have a solution in the future because I love Clementine, as I loved Amarok...
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby kernow » Jul 3rd, '13, 22:34

Long time Linux desktop user myself ( Mandrake 7 ) Am using Mageia 3 on desktop and Mageia 2 on Laptop. Amorak works OK on both machines, and virtualbox is great. Web browser? Opera is still the fastest!
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 4th, '13, 00:04

kernow wrote:Long time Linux desktop user myself ( Mandrake 7 ) Am using Mageia 3 on desktop and Mageia 2 on Laptop. Amorak works OK on both machines, and virtualbox is great. Web browser? Opera is still the fastest!

My problem with amarok -and now maybe the same in clementine- is that i have a very big music collection -around 300Gb-, and amarok freezes when it tries to build it. in mageia 2 i remember more people had problems with amarok similar to mine, for me it became useless. clementine used to do it fine and fast, but now it doesnt' work so fine. virtualbox is not a good option for me, i never liked it for the use i give to virtual windows. i don't like opera very much either, i know it's the fastes but in in firefox, for example, i have an addon that's only for firefox, a dictionary bar with access to all the basque dictionaries, as a translator i use it all the time... by now i have an only solution: stop firefox, clementine or chrome when i must work in virtual windows, use firefox in virtual windows for that time, and run them when i finish, and listen to my music in audacious while i use virtual windows. and when firefox starts to slow down the whole system just kill it, as i must pretty often do. then all the rest works fine.
thanks anyway! :)
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby kernow » Jul 4th, '13, 00:39

What version of Firefox do you use? if the Mageia current (olde) ESR version (17) have you tried downloading the latest version 21 from mozilla?
Have you tried running #top -c in a consol to check on cpu and i/o use to see if it really is a firefox problem? does #ps faux tell you anything?
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 4th, '13, 01:48

kernow wrote:What version of Firefox do you use? if the Mageia current (olde) ESR version (17) have you tried downloading the latest version 21 from mozilla?
Have you tried running #top -c in a consol to check on cpu and i/o use to see if it really is a firefox problem? does #ps faux tell you anything?

Yes, I'm using official Mageia current version, 17. I'll try downloading 21. About the other questions, firefox is the program using more cpu % and, as I wrote, when computer starts to slow down too much, when I kill firefox -or sometimes when I kill Clementine- it comes back to a normal speed. the most usual is that after getting very slow a window about a non sesponsive script in firefox or thunderbird appears. if i stop the script -sometimes there're 3, 4, 5... scripts to be stopped- computer continues working fine.
thank you for the information about versin 21! I'll try it.
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 4th, '13, 02:04

kernow wrote:What version of Firefox do you use? if the Mageia current (olde) ESR version (17) have you tried downloading the latest version 21 from mozilla?
Have you tried running #top -c in a consol to check on cpu and i/o use to see if it really is a firefox problem? does #ps faux tell you anything?

Ok, I've downloaded version 22, the last one, the .tar.bz2 file, uncompressed it and did everything as it's said in Mozillas guide but it doesn't run, it tells me "firefox: firefox: cannot execute binary file". :roll:
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby filip » Jul 4th, '13, 09:00

aselluza wrote:... a dictionary bar with access to all the basque dictionaries, as a translator i use it all the time...

Off topic but anyway. As a member of translator team I would be glad if you consider to join us.
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby kernow » Jul 4th, '13, 09:34

Make sure you have dowloaded the correct version for your machine, 32 or 64 bit ? if your box is 64 bit you want the x86_64 version.
After download close existing firefox, open a consol and cd to dir where the tar file is, then:
tar xjf firefox-*.tar.bz2
run the firefox script from inside the firefox folder: # firefox/firefox

aselluza wrote:
kernow wrote:What version of Firefox do you use? if the Mageia current (olde) ESR version (17) have you tried downloading the latest version 21 from mozilla?
Have you tried running #top -c in a consol to check on cpu and i/o use to see if it really is a firefox problem? does #ps faux tell you anything?

Ok, I've downloaded version 22, the last one, the .tar.bz2 file, uncompressed it and did everything as it's said in Mozillas guide but it doesn't run, it tells me "firefox: firefox: cannot execute binary file". :roll:
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Re: Some general impressions and critical problems in Mageia

Postby aselluza » Jul 4th, '13, 12:57

It wasn't easy to find x86_64 version but it did it, it works, and I'd say it's pretty faster. Why don't we have an actualized version for Mageia? rpm for version 22? the only problem in this version is that it needs some addons to visualize some contents and they can't be found, I imagine the current Mageia versions don't work in firefox 22... I guess they are some kind of flash. I'll try the same for tunderbird.
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