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[SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 22:00
by szltam5863
The in vlc I get this error message during the Mageia 2.

VLC does not support (s) "mp4a" audio or video formats. Sorry, can not do anything about correcting this.

I use this command: rpm -qa | grep vlc

I received this:

vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2

How can i install mp4a audio or video formats?

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 22:06
by djennings
In Mageia Control Centre>Software>SoftwareMedia enable the 'Tainted' and 'Tainted Updates' online repository then do your software updates. vlc will then be upgraded to the 'tainted' version.

Also install gstreamer0.10-faad to allow gstreamer to play mp4 files, and if you use xine media player install xine-faad

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 22:25
by szltam5863
djennings wrote:In Mageia Control Centre>Software>SoftwareMedia enable the 'Tainted' and 'Tainted Updates' online repository then do your software updates. vlc will then be upgraded to the 'tainted' version.

Also install gstreamer0.10-faad to allow gstreamer to play mp4 files, and if you use xine media player install xine-faad


Dragon Player play mp4 files and have sound, but vlc is don't have sound.

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 22:36
by doktor5000
Please show the output of
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rpm -qa | grep vlc | sort

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 22:37
by szltam5863
doktor5000 wrote:Please show the output of
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rpm -qa | grep vlc | sort

My output:
libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted
vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2
vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 23:26
by doktor5000
Please do a
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urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --auto
as root and post the output here.

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 6th, '13, 23:38
by szltam5863
doktor5000 wrote:Please do a
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urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --auto
as root and post the output here.

my output file:
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[root@localhost tamas]# urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --auto
"libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586 vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586" eltávolítása
a(z) vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
a(z) vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
a(z) vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
a(z) libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
a(z) vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
a(z) libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.i586 csomag eltávolítása folyik
writing /var/lib/rpm/installed-through-deps.list

A következő csomagok elárvultak:
  ORBit2-2.14.19-2.mga2.i586
  autocorr-bg-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-da-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-fi-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-hr-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-lt-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-pl-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-ru-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  autocorr-sv-3.5.7.2-0.1.mga2.noarch
  bluez-firmware-1.2-6.mga1.noarch
  fglrx-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-8.961-4.mga2.nonfree.i586
  fonts-ttf-bitstream-vera-1.10-11.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-bg-4.3-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-da-0.20070903-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-et-0.20030606.1-9.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-hr-0.20040608.1-8.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-lt-0.20100531-2.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-nb-2.0.10-11.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-nn-2.0.10-11.mga2.noarch
  hyphen-pl-0.20060726-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-ro-3.3.6-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-ru-0.20020727-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-sv-1.00.1-1.mga1.noarch
  hyphen-uk-0.20030903-1.mga1.noarch
  kernel-desktop586-3.3.6-2.mga2-1-1.mga2.i586
  kernel-firmware-nonfree-20121030-1.mga2.nonfree.noarch
  kpartx-0.4.9-1.mga2.i586
  libORBit2_0-2.14.19-2.mga2.i586
  libbluedevil1-1.9.1-1.mga2.i586
  libcddb2-1.3.2-5.mga2.i586
  libcrystalhd-common-0-0.20110315.1.mga2.i586
  libcrystalhd3-0-0.20110315.1.mga2.i586
  libdmraid1-1.0.0-0.rc16.9.mga2.i586
  libdvbpsi7-0.2.2-1.mga2.i586
  libhspell0-1.2-2.mga2.i586
  liblo10k10-1.0.25-1.mga2.i586
  libmozjs185_1.0-1.85-3.mga2.i586
  libmpeg2dec0-0.5.1-5.mga1.i586
  libntrack-qt41-016-2.mga2.i586
  libntrack0-016-2.mga2.i586
  libopenobex1-1.5-6.mga1.i586
  libportaudio2-19-18.mga2.i586
  libpowerdevilconfigcommonprivate4-4.8.5-1.2.mga2.i586
  libpowerdevilcore0-4.8.5-1.2.mga2.i586
  libpowerdevilui4-4.8.5-1.2.mga2.i586
  libxcb-composite0-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586
  libxcb-randr0-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586
  libxcb-shm0-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586
  libxcb-util-keysyms1-0.3.8-3.1.mga2.i586
  libxcb-xv0-1.8.1-1.mga2.i586
  libzvbi0-0.2.33-6.mga2.i586
  mythes-bg-4.3-1.mga1.noarch
  mythes-da-0.20100629.15.16.1-2.mga1.noarch
  mythes-nb-2.0.10-11.mga2.noarch
  mythes-nn-2.0.10-11.mga2.noarch
  mythes-pl-1.5-6.mga1.noarch
  mythes-ro-3.3-3.mga1.noarch
  mythes-ru-0.20070613.1-5.mga1.noarch
  mythes-sv-1.3-2.mga1.noarch
  mythes-uk-1.6.0-4.mga2.noarch
  ntrack-016-2.mga2.i586
  obex-data-server-0.4.6-1.mga1.i586
  obexd-0.45-1.mga2.i586
  plasma-krunner-powerdevil-4.8.5-1.2.mga2.i586
  vboxadditions-kernel-3.3.6-desktop586-2.mga2-4.1.12-5.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-acecad-1.5.0-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-aiptek-1.4.1-1.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-evtouch-0.8.8-9.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-fpit-1.4.0-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-hyperpen-1.4.1-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-joystick-1.6.0-5.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-keyboard-1.6.1-1.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-mouse-1.7.1-4.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-mutouch-1.3.0-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-penmount-1.5.0-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-input-void-1.4.0-3.mga2.i586
  x11-driver-video-vboxvideo-4.1.24-1.mga2.i586
Ha el akarja mindet távolítani, használja az "urpme --auto-orphans" parancsot.


    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/release/libx264_120-0.120-0.20120306.stable.1.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/release/libdca0-0.0.5-3.mga1.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
    $MIRRORLIST: media/tainted/updates/libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm
libx264_120-0.120-0.20120306.stable.1.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm libdca0-0.0.5-3.mga1.i586.rpm libvlc5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm vlc-plugin-common-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm vlc-plugin-theora-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm vlc-plugin-pulse-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm vlc-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm libvlccore5-2.0.3-2.4.mga2.tainted.i586.rpm telepítése innen: /var/cache/urpmi/rpms
Előkészítés...                   #############################################
      1/8: libvlccore5           #############################################
      2/8: libvlc5               #############################################
      3/8: libdca0               #############################################
      4/8: libx264_120           #############################################
      5/8: vlc-plugin-common     #############################################
      6/8: vlc                   #############################################
      7/8: vlc-plugin-theora     #############################################
      8/8: vlc-plugin-pulse      #############################################
[root@localhost tamas]#


And my vlc is play sound on videos. :) Thanks :P

Re: "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Mar 7th, '13, 08:07
by isadora
Now your issue seems to be solved, will you please be so kind marking the topic as such?
You can do so by editing the first message in the topic, and pre-fix the subject/title with the tag [SOLVED].

Thanks in advance!!! ;)

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Aug 19th, '14, 14:11
by tarazed
This is a rider to the subject of these posts...

Although vlc from the tainted repositories is running fine on two of my systems, one a testbed for mga5 alpha2, I could not get it to install from tainted for an older mga4 test system. I got into a tangled mess even though the tainted repositories were enabled. It seemed that whatever I did the untainted repositories took precedence so I added a restriction to the good Doktor's command and it worked fine.
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urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --media tainted --auto
urpmi svlc --media tainted


Thanks again doktor5000 for your guidance.

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jun 30th, '15, 15:15
by rolf
doktor5000 wrote:Please do a
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urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --auto
as root and post the output here.


Hey, I just installed Mageia release 5 (Official) for x86_64 and pleased to come back to the familiar urpm* tools after a junket through various debian-based distros.

I got
VLC could not decode the format "mp4a" (MPEG AAC Audio)
and wound up at this thread. Running your provided commanded produced formidable results, starting with the removal of 410 packages :!: At the end, VLC played my .mkv fine, including audio. Thanks!

However, I had a konqueror file browser open and, when I tried to change directories, I got
There appears to be a configuration error. You have associated Konqueror with inode/directory, but it cannot handle this file type.
Google showed a recent Mint user solved this error by installing Dolphin, so I re-installed it and konqueror seems to be working, again.

FWIW, a 116KB, 1521-line (when wrapped) text file of the command output is attached.

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jun 30th, '15, 15:50
by doktor5000
Yep, you basically removed nearly your whole KDE. You might want to try to install task-kde4 again.
Problem is that phonon-vlc belongs to KDE base packages, and removing that will recursively remove KDE

But to be fair, this was meant for the OP as he showed the output of rpm -qa | grep vlc previously hence I wrote that command based on that.
It would have been safer asking beforehand ;)

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jun 30th, '15, 16:30
by rolf
Ok, installing task-kde4 brought me a bonus 127 extra packages and, after all 537 were onboard, my next hurdle of mounting GF's usb-connected mtp device was solved.
Hopefully, it will be smooth sailing from here on out. ImageThanks!

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 5th, '15, 19:19
by n00biest
i wish i read the entire thread before making that f***ng urpme -a vlc --auto && urpmi vlc --auto !
gosh! 400 removed files for me.
i guess i'm gonna reinstall mag5. i'll see how it works .
and my vlc is still NOT playing aac/m4a/ sounds on mp4 ! :DDD

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 5th, '15, 19:22
by n00biest
oops! my konsole just vanished! :D! byebye kdenlive! see ya later! :D

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 5th, '15, 20:04
by rolf
urpmi task-kde4

This clue is in the thread where doktor5000 replies to me and I got functionality back by listening to him.

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 5th, '15, 23:11
by n00biest
are you saying that the aac codec is managed by task-kde4?
because when i type task-kde4 in the MCC, all i see is 250 MO of ..... files i'm reluctant to install, such as 100 MO of games ....

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 00:15
by jkerr82508
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urpmi task-kde4-minimal

will install the most commonly used KDE4 applications, including konsole.

To get all of the available codecs, enable the tainted repo's and install task-codec-audio and task-codec-video.

Jim

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 07:20
by n00biest
urpmi task-kde4-minimal has not been used this time : my mag5 was so new i simply reinstall it :)

now for the aac codec, the tainted repos and task-codec thingies are not sufficient.

i'm still on it and see if i can get more tainted codecs in the mix.

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 09:47
by doktor5000
Whatever you're doing, seems you don't follow the hints.

┌─[doktor5000@Mageia5]─[09:45:05]─[~]
└──╼ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 2.4.9 Copyright (c) 2000-2015 the FFmpeg developers
built on May 17 2015 20:05:51 with gcc 4.9.2 (GCC)
configuration: --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --incdir=/usr/include --disable-stripping --enable-postproc --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --disable-encoder=vorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-x11grab --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libschroedinger --enable-librtmp --enable-libspeex --enable-libfreetype --enable-libnut --enable-libgsm --enable-libcelt --enable-libopus --disable-libopencv --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libtwolame --enable-libxavs --enable-frei0r --enable-libmodplug --enable-libass --enable-gnutls --enable-libcdio --enable-libpulse --enable-libv4l2 --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libx264 --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libxvid
libavutil 54. 7.100 / 54. 7.100
libavcodec 56. 1.100 / 56. 1.100
libavformat 56. 4.101 / 56. 4.101
libavdevice 56. 0.100 / 56. 0.100
libavfilter 5. 1.100 / 5. 1.100
libswscale 3. 0.100 / 3. 0.100
libswresample 1. 1.100 / 1. 1.100
libpostproc 53. 0.100 / 53. 0.100


┌─[doktor5000@Mageia5]─[09:45:23]─[~]
└──╼ rpm -q ffmpeg
ffmpeg-2.4.9-1.mga5.tainted

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 13:29
by n00biest
Grandiose!

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 15:04
by rolf
doktor5000 wrote:Whatever you're doing, seems you don't follow the hints.

┌─[doktor5000@Mageia5]─[09:45:05]─[~]
└──╼ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 2.4.9 Copyright (c) 2000-2015 the FFmpeg developers
built on May 17 2015 20:05:51 with gcc 4.9.2 (GCC)
configuration: --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --incdir=/usr/include --disable-stripping --enable-postproc --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --disable-encoder=vorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-x11grab --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libschroedinger --enable-librtmp --enable-libspeex --enable-libfreetype --enable-libnut --enable-libgsm --enable-libcelt --enable-libopus --disable-libopencv --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libtwolame --enable-libxavs --enable-frei0r --enable-libmodplug --enable-libass --enable-gnutls --enable-libcdio --enable-libpulse --enable-libv4l2 --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libx264 --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libxvid
libavutil 54. 7.100 / 54. 7.100
libavcodec 56. 1.100 / 56. 1.100
libavformat 56. 4.101 / 56. 4.101
libavdevice 56. 0.100 / 56. 0.100
libavfilter 5. 1.100 / 5. 1.100
libswscale 3. 0.100 / 3. 0.100
libswresample 1. 1.100 / 1. 1.100
libpostproc 53. 0.100 / 53. 0.100


┌─[doktor5000@Mageia5]─[09:45:23]─[~]
└──╼ rpm -q ffmpeg
ffmpeg-2.4.9-1.mga5.tainted


That's funny. :?

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[rolf@localhost ~]$ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 2.4.9 Copyright (c) 2000-2015 the FFmpeg developers
built on May 17 2015 19:24:43 with gcc 4.9.2 (GCC)
configuration: --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --incdir=/usr/include --disable-stripping --enable-postproc --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --disable-encoder=vorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-x11grab --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libschroedinger --enable-librtmp --enable-libspeex --enable-libfreetype --enable-libnut --enable-libgsm --enable-libcelt --enable-libopus --disable-libopencv --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libtwolame --enable-libxavs --enable-frei0r --enable-libmodplug --enable-libass --enable-gnutls --enable-libcdio --enable-libpulse --enable-libv4l2 --disable-decoder=aac --disable-encoder=aac
libavutil      54.  7.100 / 54.  7.100
libavcodec     56.  1.100 / 56.  1.100
libavformat    56.  4.101 / 56.  4.101
libavdevice    56.  0.100 / 56.  0.100
libavfilter     5.  1.100 /  5.  1.100
libswscale      3.  0.100 /  3.  0.100
libswresample   1.  1.100 /  1.  1.100
libpostproc    53.  0.100 / 53.  0.100
[rolf@localhost ~]$ urpmq --sources ffmpeg
rsync://mirror.easthsia.com/mageia/distrib/5/x86_64/media/core/release/ffmpeg-2.4.9-1.mga5.x86_64.rpm
rsync://mirror.easthsia.com/mageia/distrib/5/x86_64/media/tainted/release/ffmpeg-2.4.9-1.mga5.tainted.x86_64.rpm
[rolf@localhost ~]$ rpm -q ffmpeg
ffmpeg-2.4.9-1.mga5
[rolf@localhost ~]$ su
Password:
[root@localhost rolf]# urpmi ffmpeg
To satisfy dependencies, the following packages are going to be installed:
  Package                        Version      Release       Arch   
(medium "Tainted Release")
  ffmpeg                         2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64avcodec56                 2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64avfilter5                 2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64avformat56                2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64avutil54                  2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64opencore-amr0             0.1.2        8.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64postproc53                2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64swresample1               2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64swscaler3                 2.4.9        1.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64vo-aacenc0                0.1.2        5.mga5.taint> x86_64 
  lib64vo-amrwbenc0              0.1.1        7.mga5.taint> x86_64 
761KB of additional disk space will be used.
6.5MB of packages will be retrieved.
Proceed with the installation of the 11 packages? (Y/n)

..

[rolf@localhost ~]$ ffmpeg -version
ffmpeg version 2.4.9 Copyright (c) 2000-2015 the FFmpeg developers
built on May 17 2015 20:05:51 with gcc 4.9.2 (GCC)
configuration: --prefix=/usr --enable-shared --libdir=/usr/lib64 --shlibdir=/usr/lib64 --incdir=/usr/include --disable-stripping --enable-postproc --enable-gpl --enable-pthreads --enable-libtheora --enable-libvorbis --disable-encoder=vorbis --enable-libvpx --enable-x11grab --enable-runtime-cpudetect --enable-libdc1394 --enable-libschroedinger --enable-librtmp --enable-libspeex --enable-libfreetype --enable-libnut --enable-libgsm --enable-libcelt --enable-libopus --disable-libopencv --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libtwolame --enable-libxavs --enable-frei0r --enable-libmodplug --enable-libass --enable-gnutls --enable-libcdio --enable-libpulse --enable-libv4l2 --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-version3 --enable-libx264 --enable-libvo-aacenc --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libxvid
libavutil      54.  7.100 / 54.  7.100
libavcodec     56.  1.100 / 56.  1.100
libavformat    56.  4.101 / 56.  4.101
libavdevice    56.  0.100 / 56.  0.100
libavfilter     5.  1.100 /  5.  1.100
libswscale      3.  0.100 /  3.  0.100
libswresample   1.  1.100 /  1.  1.100
libpostproc    53.  0.100 / 53.  0.100


Notwithstanding, my vlc started working after the initial purge and re-installation. Maybe this will help with a problem I'm having with bombono-dvd. Thanks.

Re: [SOLVED] "mp4a" audio or video formats.

PostPosted: Jul 6th, '15, 17:11
by n00biest
may be we can do something of this Leipzicher, after all.