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Plasma problems

Postby jiml8 » Oct 11th, '17, 22:58

I am having a great deal of trouble with plasma. I find it to be substantially unreliable.

My biggest problems, in order, are these:

1. I make heavy use of the compositing function Desktop Grid, and it frequently stops working. Sometimes when it stops (but not usually) I can restore it by executing a kwin_x11 --replace from the alt-F2 launcher. Usually though I have to log out and back in.

2. at times kwin_x11 runs away, looping continually and filling one core of my CPU, and becoming nonresponsive. When this happens, I can get to a console so I usually do a ctrl-alt-F2, log in, kill kwin_x11, then return to the desktop and restart kwin_x11 using the alt-F2 launcher.

3. I can no longer pull a tab from a tabbed window and have it in its own window. This just no longer works, and is sometimes causing me some serious heartburn. Seems to me that has to be a setting someplace but so far I have not figured it out.

3. xembedsniproxy persistently will not start. I always have to start it manually after logging in.

I have been searching for relevant information that might help me sort this out, and I have run across something that might be relevant.

I was getting many error messages of the form:

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kf5.kcoreaddons.desktopparser: Could not locate service type file kservicetypes5/plasma-popupapplet.desktop, tried ("/home/jiml/.local/share", "/var/lib/plasma5-profiles/common/share", "/usr/local/share", "/usr/share")


Now, I still get this particular error because I have not found any plasma-popupapplet.desktop, or a plasmapopupapplet.desktop.

However, I was getting this type of error referring to kwin-decoration.desktop, kwin-desktopswitcher.desktop, kwin-effect.desktop, kwin-script.desktop, and kwin-windowswitcher.desktop, all of which looked potentially relevant to me. Kwin should default properly, but who knows for sure?

So, I visited /usr/share/kservicetypes5 and I found the following files: kwindecoration.desktop, kwindesktopswitcher.desktop, kwineffect.desktop, kwinscript.desktop, and kwinwindowswitcher.desktop, among many others that were not hypenated and some that were hyphenated.

This looks to me like a packaging error.

I have symlinked these five files, and those error messages are gone. I have also restarted my session (for about the 4th time today) and so far I have not had trouble...though I am not optimistic that will last. I don't know if my symlinks will survive an upgrade, but I symlinked rather than renaming files in the hope that either (1) a future upgrade will properly name the files and overwrite my symlinks or (2) the symlinks will survive an upgrade that rewrites the files they link to.

In any case, I do not know whether this will help with any of the issues I've been seeing (the first two are the ones I hope the symlinking helps with...those are a really big problem given that logging out and back in requires me to suspend a bunch of VMs and often give up some sshfs mounts).

If anyone has any idea how to handle (3) I would love to hear it. I can live with (4) though I do need to add a command to start that to some script somewhere.
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Re: Plasma problems

Postby doktor5000 » Oct 12th, '17, 09:08

I believe I've got another one, for all my desktop icons after some time the icon text will have some strange white pixelated graphical overlay, and the dropshadow behind the text will be solid black. Not sure whether that's a plasma, kwin or X issue, or an issue with the nvidia drivers. Sadly didn't find the time to look into that yet, same as for other issues like plasma-applet-nm sometimes asking for the wireless password when coming back from standby. When I restart networkmanager it connects just fine, so it doesn't seem like a kwallet issue.

jiml8 wrote:I was getting many error messages of the form:

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kf5.kcoreaddons.desktopparser: Could not locate service type file kservicetypes5/plasma-popupapplet.desktop, tried ("/home/jiml/.local/share", "/var/lib/plasma5-profiles/common/share", "/usr/local/share", "/usr/share")


Now, I still get this particular error because I have not found any plasma-popupapplet.desktop, or a plasmapopupapplet.desktop.

However, I was getting this type of error referring to kwin-decoration.desktop, kwin-desktopswitcher.desktop, kwin-effect.desktop, kwin-script.desktop, and kwin-windowswitcher.desktop, all of which looked potentially relevant to me. Kwin should default properly, but who knows for sure?

So, I visited /usr/share/kservicetypes5 and I found the following files: kwindecoration.desktop, kwindesktopswitcher.desktop, kwineffect.desktop, kwinscript.desktop, and kwinwindowswitcher.desktop, among many others that were not hypenated and some that were hyphenated.

This looks to me like a packaging error.

I have symlinked these five files, and those error messages are gone.


Nice find, you should at least put that into a bugreport.
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Re: Plasma problems

Postby jiml8 » Oct 14th, '17, 02:59

I'm about positive that at least some of these are upstream. My numbers 1 and 2 both also occur on my laptop, which is running OpenSUSE Leap 42.3 and kernel 4.8.-something. This lets Mageia off the hook, I think.

Since symlinking those files, I have not seen a repeat of the problem with Desktop Grid (though it has only been a couple of days) and the problem with kwin_x11 running away has happened once since then.
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Re: Plasma problems

Postby Bequimao » Oct 14th, '17, 10:53

Yes, I have usability issues when resizing a desktop icon in openSUSE Leap 42.3, but cannot locate the error message.

It looks like a renaming/standardization of names issue. The old names might be needed for portability. So symlinks are the only way. The problem is marked as resolved upstream
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384037

A bug report in Mageia is still needed. Would you mind to write it?

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Re: Plasma problems

Postby jiml8 » Oct 22nd, '17, 21:12

As a follow up on this thread, since my last post I have received a batch of updates, which I installed.

Subsequent to my last post, I have not encountered any further instances of my problem 1 or my problem 2.

At the risk of jinxing myself, I have now gone more than a week without either of those effects biting me.
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Re: Plasma problems

Postby jiml8 » Dec 7th, '17, 11:22

I would like to follow up on this thread because I have gathered some useful information.

My Problem 1 remains. I have my desktop configured to zoom out into expo mode (Desktop Grid) when I move the mouse to the top left corner of the screen. This has been problematic for me, but I have finally pinned down the exact circumstance that causes this feature to hang.

If there is a notification requester displayed on the screen when I move the mouse to the top left corner, the display hangs. It does not go into expo mode and while I can move the mouse, nothing on the display responds to the mouse or the mouse buttons.

Further, when this happens, if I do not touch the mouse for a period of time (measured times ranging from 3 minutes to 15 minutes) everything clears and the display works normally.

My problem 2 has vanished: Kwin is not longer crashing regularly. I presume an update along the way fixed it, or perhaps some problematic config information wound up being overwritten. Dunno, but the problem is gone.

My problem 3 (can't pull a tab out of a window to create a new window) also went away on its own. No idea why, but it is now working again...fortunately.

My problem 4 (which I also labeled 3 in the original post) remains. xembedsniproxy refuses to start when I log in, even though I have symlinked it in ~/.config/autostart-scripts/ . I always have to start it manually.

The problem 1 is the biggie for me, and knowing what causes it is very helpful. However, those notifications pop up all the time, and it sucks to have to wait for the issue to clear when notification pops up just as I was moving into expo mode.
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Re: Plasma problems

Postby unklar » Dec 7th, '17, 18:16

jiml8 wrote:My problem 4 (which I also labeled 3 in the original post) remains. xembedsniproxy refuses to start when I log in, even though I have symlinked it in ~/.config/autostart-scripts/ . I always have to start it manually.

I've been looking for a solution for a long time because of Conky.
Finally, I found that the script ending in .sh must be executed before the KDE logon. ;)

The autostart feature has a bug, currently it is not possible to run a script after the startup of your Plasma™ session.

--> https://docs.kde.org/trunk5/en/kde-work ... _autostart

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