GNOME seems to be falling apart

[zxr250cc]

I have been reading the blogs for gnome and the news about it in slashdot as well. it seems that gnome devs have discovered (finally) what users had already figured out: gnome 3 is not very good or if phrased another way, it sucks. (UNITY SUCKS as well and so does ROSA, for the record.)

http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/07/27 ... -the-abyss

Sometimes the abyss stares back and you find your self asking what was I doing? It might be too late for gnome. We will see. I saw some total non sense in the gnome blogs as well as some clear thought. One blogger was suggesting that gnome would be useful on a cell phone he would buy without an OS like a barebones PC and load his own software. Really? Are they nuts? There must be two or three other people on this planet wanting to do that as well. Develop for it!Who wants to fool with that? They were talking about Linux coming to tablets as well. It already arrived: it is called ANDROID. The door has already begun to close for Linux tablets, I am beginning to believe. If it comes it needs a Bluetooth keyboard... typing on a tablet SUCKS. I use one; I know.

I am a DESKTOP LINUX USER. I want to do WORK with my computer. I want it lean, fast and easy to use. It should be similar enough in looks to other popular software that a new user can find things and get some work done if they are trying it. I don't want video bs eating CPU cycles for silly video effects. I want to click a link or button and to see the PC SNAP to the next work choice immediately. Even if I have an old computer and 1 GB of RAM. Win Vista didn't do this.. Win8 will not be doing this either, apparently. Gnome should be a good reference point to consider when thinking about how should we move forward with software? Listen to the actual users or just do what we want and then see what happens? MANDRIVA 2011 with the rocket bar and ROSA comes to mind... Anyone in here using that anymore? I am certainly not.

cheers,

gcd

[mmix]

http://blogs.gnome.org/otte/2012/07/27/ ... the-abyss/

GNOME has no goals.

forgotten freshness, period, i hope that they will their way soon.

[doktor5000]

Some weeks back i saw someone saying: XFCE/LXDE is the new GNOME.
Let's hope they will stay what they are, and only improve in sane ways ...

[mmix]

IMHO, wayland/haiku´s gui is the way to go, heh.
everything else like x.org/gnome/xfce/etc is just dummy thing.

[doktor5000]

I don't know where Haiku offers any advantages, you can have that even with a simple window manager.
Apart from that wayland itself is no GUI, if you didn't know yet.

[mmix]

Apart from that wayland itself is no GUI, if you didn't know yet.

really?

http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebeccablackos/
http://sourceforge.net/projects/rebecca ... yland2.png

[wobo]

really?

Yes, it is a display server, as written at the top in your first link.
Actually it is the possible successor of the old X server which is still based on technology of the previous century. There are many companies/projects already experimenting (f.ex.: Canonical).

[doktor5000]

Yep, exactly. FWIW, X is also no GUI by itself, it's merely a protocol. A few apps were added for it, few of which are still useable. Wayland is (only) a display server/compositor.

[mmix]

well, it depend on how we see, i guess.
IMHO, if firefox support wayland now (which is actually on going), i think it is gui already, in my book..

[wobo]

Very simplified explanation:
The GUI in a GNU/Linux system is a client/server construct. The server (X or Wayland) provides the technical basis (like drawing lines between positions based on x/y coordinates, filling rectangles, etc.). The client is all graphical software which runs on this basis. To make it clearer: usually you start the X server once and then you can start each client multiple times simultanously on that running server.

The X server himself is NOT a "Graphical User Interface", it provides the basis for all such interfaces (such as window managers and applications which run with these window managers).

Back to Gnome:
Current discussions at GUADEC were about the plans to make Gnome an operating system of its own, which is of course pure hybris. We had this back in the late 80ies when Microsoft claimed that "Windows" is an operating system. It was not, it was just a graphic system on top of an operating system.

Yes, Gnome is on the best way to become harder for any distribution to integrate - if this distribution also wants to supply other DEs as well.

[zxr250cc]

I guess even Fedora think 3 is a real mess.

http://news.slashdot.org/story/12/07/31 ... -fork-mate

Cheers,

gcd

[mmix]

worry about fedora to being yet another nokia, remember elop..