What makes Mageia different from other Linux distribution ?s

[caieng]

What differs Mageia to Debian :
- rpm based (as opposed deb)
- kde based (as opposed to gnome)
- ease of use as (opposed to "admin style")
- desktop (as opposed to server)
- fixed date release and release cycle (well was, but could change a little)
- up to date and avant garde (as opposed to conservative and stable), well this may also chnage a bit (for example mandriva 2011 appear more "innovative" than mageia 1).
- mess comm / identity (as opposed to "hard" identity)

Thank you, Zack. Your reply was well done.

What I am seeking, perhaps uniquely among those expressing an interest in learning more about Mageia, is precisely how this new distro compares with Mandriva and PCLOS.

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions ... udio-3633/

One could argue, I suppose, that if I sincerely want to know whether or not Mageia is faster/slower, easier or more difficult to install, than other Linux distros, that then I ought to perform the study myself.

I have no satisfactory argument against that opinion.

I hope that someone in the Mageia community would have some specific information comparing the three Mandrake branches, not with platitudes about community support, but with numbers, i.e. times, specifically, installation and execution times with well defined tasks.

I am also keen to learn of the performance distinctions with other families, outside the Mandrake group.

regards,
CAI ENG

[wobo]

I hope that someone in the Mageia community would have some specific information comparing the three Mandrake branches, not with platitudes about community support, but with numbers, i.e. times, specifically, installation and execution times with well defined tasks.

This is not possible. To achieve what you want you need:
- a defined machine with ALL technical information to rn the tests
- each system installed with default values
- a well defined task
All tasks carried out right after a reboot, all tasks carried out by the same person (if user interaction is needed).

So, as you see, there IS no other way to do this comparison on your own on your machine if you want hard data.

Oh, btw: those "platitudes" actually are the main difference. Other than those "platitudes" and some artwork there is (almost) no difference between current Mandriva and Mageia.

[Max]

Other than those "platitudes" and some artwork there is (almost) no difference between current Mandriva and Mageia.

Well... there is the small matter that Mandriva hasn't really been updated in over a year, and is running lots of old packages in the repos.

[wobo]

Other than those "platitudes" and some artwork there is (almost) no difference between current Mandriva and Mageia.

Well... there is the small matter that Mandriva hasn't really been updated in over a year, and is running lots of old packages in the repos.

Well... there is the small matter that Mandriva did not have a RELEASE in over a year, while there were lots of updates and a snapshot last December.
Well... there is the small matter that Mageia is based on that "old" Mandriva, only using the (almost) latest versions of those "old" packages.

Technically you could call Mageia "the latest update of Mandriva 2010.1/2" were it not for some "spring cleaning" of obsolete or long_time_not_used/maintained packages. This is not an attempt to make Mageia look un-important, IMHO this was more or less what was intended for Mageia 1.

[ahmad]

Other than those "platitudes" and some artwork there is (almost) no difference between current Mandriva and Mageia.

Well... there is the small matter that Mandriva hasn't really been updated in over a year, and is running lots of old packages in the repos.

Well... there is the small matter that Mandriva did not have a RELEASE in over a year, while there were lots of updates and a snapshot last December.
Well... there is the small matter that Mageia is based on that "old" Mandriva, only using the (almost) latest versions of those "old" packages.

Technically you could call Mageia "the latest update of Mandriva 2010.1/2" were it not for some "spring cleaning" of obsolete or long_time_not_used/maintained packages. This is not an attempt to make Mageia look un-important, IMHO this was more or less what was intended for Mageia 1.

Actually no, Mageia 1 is a fork of Cooker from last September; the plan was indeed to base on Mandriva 2010.1, but somehow we based the fork on Cooker and then worked our way with the usual stabilisation and bug fixing to release Mageia 1, so IMHO opinion (almost non-biased too), I'd say Mageia 1 is newer than Mandriva 2010.1/2 by some long ways, not just in the version of the shipped DE's, but in the underlying base system libs themselves. (Of course GNOME is still 2.32 in mga1; that's expected since there was no time to properly integrate the still-too-brand-and-too-new GNOME3). :)

[wobo]

Actually no, Mageia 1 is a fork of Cooker from last September; the plan was indeed to base on Mandriva 2010.1, but somehow we based the fork on Cooker and then worked our way with the usual stabilisation and bug fixing to release Mageia 1, so IMHO opinion (almost non-biased too), I'd say Mageia 1 is newer than Mandriva 2010.1/2 by some long ways

Yes, that's why I wrote "latest update", I meant "2010.1/2 and beyond, so to say.
Have to improve my english....

[tcook1943]

Let me make it plain, I am a total newbie to Mageia & though I did use Mandriva/Mandrake for a while I never really took to it. As far as my Linux roots go I have more recently been hopping from PCL to Mint & back again for some time usually using VirtualBox to run a vm due to some hardware issues with my wi-fi adaptor.

I am writing this using Windows as I just outstripped the limits of my Mageia installation, (I had used a 250GB drive but allowed Mageia to set the drive up automatically only to find that it had set the root folder to a mere 12 GB which I filled inside the first 2 hours) but will be re-installing Mageia directly.

This was my second go at Mageia, I loved it the first time but felt that the repo's were a little limited and missing some things which I really like such as additional filters etc for Gimp, an Amiga emulator and similar bits and pieces, however it was the first distro ever to recognise my wi-fi adaptor.

Meantime I tried Mint 11, ugh, I found that I hate Gnome and I did not like the installer nor the fact that some installed software, (KDE stuff) failed to show up in the menu. Then tried PCL updated to 2011 spec which was fine, up to a point, didn't like my wi-fi adaptor but no great surprise there but the real killer was that though the repo's were nice & big they were so slow as to compare unfavourably with paint drying.

So all in all I'd lke to express grateful thanks for a fine distribution even though it bids fair to cost me a third nights sleep & would sum the answer as being, "This one works".

[isadora]

Welcome to the Mageia-forum tcook1943!!!!!

And many thanks for sharing your first experiences.

[Mag]

I want make it clear that this topic will not generate flame.
I know that this is the first release of mageia and it wants grown very well but now i'm asking what are the differences, in the near future, with mandriva.
Mandriva with the 2011 release brought many changes. Mageia will follow the "mandriva road" (i think about rosa-panel, rpm5, systemd) or take the "mageia road"? What will the new features that will bring us to choose mageia instead of mandriva?

Some articles to read:

Reply of why Mageia
Values
Mageia 1
Mageia for you
Code of conduct
More of Mageia

[dubigrasu]

the repo's were a little limited and missing some things which I really like such as additional filters etc for Gimp

I suppose you're talking about Gmic/Gimp plugin registry and things like that. Yes, some things are still missing but you can make a request here: https://bugs.mageia.org/enter_bug.cgi?p ... mat=guided
The distro is still young.
Also be sure you have all the necessary repos enabled and the search filter set to All.

[zooplah]

You found out for yourself:
* it's for experienced users

I don't quite buy that. I've been using Mandriva nearly my whole time of using Linux. I moved directly from Windows to Lindows (now Linspire), but I soon went to a real Linux distro (not a dumbed-down Windows clone using the Linux kernel), so I tried Mandrake Linux (because a friend of my brother's had it and let me install it; it was an old version, so I remember one of my first orders of business was downloading a new version of XFree86 (yeah, that long ago) that would correctly support my hardware). Ever since then, I've used Mandrake/Mandriva, except for that horrible time experimenting with Ubuntu (2007–2009); when the support reached an end (that is, I couldn't use apt-get anymore), I gladly went back to Mandriva. Now, I'm trying out Mageia, which seems to be very similar to Mandriva (and seems to do things more openly). I don't see how it's for "experienced users"; I was far from experienced when I started using it, and had no problems with it (unlike Ubuntu, which did nothing but give me
trouble).

[doktor5000]

Well, you only cited part of her response, and missed the important part, maybe you understood it incorrectly:

[...]I even tried Mageia RC, but found out it was for experienced users.
[...]

So, tell me honestly, what makes Mageia any different?

You found out for yourself:
* it's for experienced users
* it's jam-packed with all the exact same packages and applications as others

For where it concerns your first conclusion: i am very interested, what makes you saying this?
For the other conclusion: yes, and why is this somewhat surprising for you?

One thing i would like to give you, is what was written today in the "Mageia-Blog")

Why might you choose Mageia?

Aside from our great distro, you mean? We’re a great community, and we’re getting better all the time. We care for each other, and in doing so, we try for the best user experience. We’d like to welcome you into our community, while making sure your Mageia installation is trouble-free and a joy to use.

What’s different about us? We’re completely community based, with everything that implies. Our organization is community-driven; no commercial management can dictate the path Mageia will take; you as a Mageia user can have more say in the future of this distribution than anywhere else.

Personally i want to add, Mageia is a brand-new distribution, made and supported by people who already know for many years, how to make and maintain a distribution, that suits everyones' needs.
The support through forum and other means is really amazing.
I would very much recommend Mageia, for its' stability, for its' ease-of-use, for it's great support, and last but not least for its' Mageia Control Centre.

Come on in and enjoy, you are more than welcome!!!!