Mageia Rolling Release please

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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby wobo » May 29th, '12, 10:36

Well, you don't seem to understand:
Some of us (me included) would be happy with a rolling release, it IS a good thing, it HAS several advantages. So far we agree to each other. But what are all these advantages worth if you have to run a risk having them? Trying a rolling release with the current ressources IS a risk. "No risk no fun" does not apply to a Linux distribution as we understand it. So please understand that we agree to you but it's just not possible in the current situation, no matter how many more advantages you describe.

I think the reasons against a rolling release at this moment in time have been described many times. They are not technical reasons but just the current limitations of our ressources, something which can only be changed by a lot of new contributors coming in.

So, until this happens, could we leave this topic as WONTFIX for the time being, pls.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby msdobrescu » May 29th, '12, 10:45

Of course, sorry to spam you all. I just don't agree to the opinion <that unstable = RR> (strictly technically).
I understand the risk of lacking manpower. I do not debate that.
I just need to understand why testing on parts means more work than testing everything.
At least, I would like to have some major KDE version between releases - without using the Cauldron version.
Some teams like MIB would be good yo be attracted to Mageia support for this matter...
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby wobo » May 29th, '12, 11:07

msdobrescu wrote:Some teams like MIB would be good yo be attracted to Mageia support for this matter...

Yes, there are some 3rd party repos out there and you can use them any time, it's your free decision. But as they are not part of the Mageia QA process you ar eon your own there. As for MIB I doubt they will be too enthousiastic to join Mageia. :) They are doing their own thing and I will not comment on what they are doing (my position about MIB is going back a long time without change and is not related to being a Mageia user).
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby msdobrescu » May 29th, '12, 11:14

Sorry to hear that about them :D
Anyway, I feel that forking Mageia is a good step, and I hope you make it more and more user friendly.
You've not saved your work only, but an important part of Mandriva community.
Keep up the good work! ;)
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby wobo » May 29th, '12, 11:19

msdobrescu wrote:Sorry to hear that about them :D
Pls mind that this is my personal position, not an official position of anybody but me.

forking Mageia
it's "forking Mandriva"! But anybody is free to fork Mageia and make it a Rolling Release! :)
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby msdobrescu » May 29th, '12, 11:54

Sorry, I was too short. But you understood.
I am curious, why do you have such opinion on MIB...
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby wobo » May 29th, '12, 12:29

Built on several occasions, discussions, etc. in Mandriva cooker list and forum, also on MandrivaUser.de, over several years. As I said, it's my own opinion, not intended to influence any other's opinion. This is not the place to wash any laundry.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby ghmitch » May 29th, '12, 17:35

msdobrescu wrote:Sorry, I was too short. But you understood.
I am curious, why do you have such opinion on MIB...


And I am curious as to what attracts you to Mageia as it would seem to me that a Mandriva/Mib combination would be more suited to your tastes. I have combined Mandriva/Mib before and it is about as close as you can get to a rolling release. You have also been singing the praises of Sabayon. And yet you seem very attached to Mageia for some reason. Have you ever considered that the very thing that is attracting you to Mageia might be because it does NOT do business like Mandriva/Mib or Sabayon? It is not like any one of us would be offended if you were to drop Mageia and use either of the other two. Could it be that you simply want to have your cake and eat it too? Many of us are using Mageia because Mandriva/Mib or Sabayon does NOT fit our needs. Why waste all the time trying to evangelize us on this subject? - George
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby doktor5000 » May 29th, '12, 18:00

@msdobrescu: As you mentioned thorough testing multiple times, why don't you join QA team and help them out so there will be more resources? https://wiki.mageia.org/en/QA_Team
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby msdobrescu » May 30th, '12, 05:36

Thank you, I honored.
Unfortunately, my current job (software developer) is under a contract that forbids me to offer my services in the same field (IT) - under a penalty of 10000$.
I'va always feel that I would be happy to join and help open software.
I will post any issues I find, anyway, this being legal to my contract terms, as a regular user.
If something changes, I will apply.

Thank you again.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby wobo » May 30th, '12, 09:27

msdobrescu wrote:Thank you, I honored.
Unfortunately, my current job (software developer) is under a contract that forbids me to offer my services in the same field (IT) - under a penalty of 10000$.

Check your contract again. I doubt that its constraints cover helping in a non-commercial not-for-profit environment as voluntary unpaid contributor. If so you should leave the forum because discussing and helping here is just the same. Being in the QA team is not a job in another IT company.

Of course nobody want you to do something you are not allowed to.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby ring » Dec 28th, '12, 19:39

What you can do just more an Semi-rolling release.., its not like ubuntu or Arch bit like LMDE, but not like that! Lmde is not maintained..... A stable base and backporting works perfect.... if you have a group of testers you can update on a low tempo mayby ones of half year a big update.... not that you will have a update of 300mb each month? for new users is that also not good..., bringing versions like ubuntu is also not good... a seli-rolling release based on a cycle is also fine :D Lets say you will have a LTS release but when a new version comes just rolls into a new version...... or you must work with to versions a lts version but its not good for the regresion.... too much work to maintain 2 different distro´s... a half year development as Ubuntu is even not good.... or just ones each year a new version , but through year just regular updates not on huge parts but needeble parts..... but even that you rolls just into the new version... LMDE if you see a update is 900mb is just a new download :)
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby oj » Dec 29th, '12, 16:04

I agree it's worth looking into, he may be able to contribute to open source. But maybe not. Depending on jurisdiction and the wishes of the employer it may be that they want to own every line of code he touches. The US is the worst in this respect, laws allow contracts no rational person would enter into, except for the fact they need to feed themselves.

But @msdobrescu, please do check with your legal dept. Note that there are a lot of companies that see benefit in paying their workers to do some of their work on open source. Intel, Microsoft, IBM and the like all pay people to do "free" work. You might want to look into what it is that they see as a benefit. It might fit your employer's operation as well.

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msdobrescu wrote:Thank you, I honored.
Unfortunately, my current job (software developer) is under a contract that forbids me to offer my services in the same field (IT) - under a penalty of 10000$.

Check your contract again. I doubt that its constraints cover helping in a non-commercial not-for-profit environment as voluntary unpaid contributor. If so you should leave the forum because discussing and helping here is just the same. Being in the QA team is not a job in another IT company.

Of course nobody want you to do something you are not allowed to.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby msdobrescu » Jan 8th, '13, 08:45

The idea is not to offer my services in this field. It's not about money, It's about avoiding coming tired at work.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby pelpix » Jul 3rd, '13, 18:54

If we can't have a true rolling release for the public, would it be possible to have perpetual cauldron for developers to test their programs against the newest packages? I haven't followed Mageia for long, so I don't know how it works. Does Cauldron ever shut down, or does it just keep going and going?

Mageia definitely deserves more developers. I'm hoping the big tier 1 mirror on kernel.org and the #3 spot on DistroWatch helps. As soon as I finish learning C, I plan to contribute as much as I can.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby doktor5000 » Jul 3rd, '13, 21:00

Cauldron is actually a rolling release, only frozen shortly before new stable releases are prepared.
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Re: Mageia Rolling Release please

Postby prodromos » Jul 22nd, '18, 15:04

I readed this topic, and i think there is some phobia about this proposal, but if we do not give an incentive to bring new people to help with this effort, i think we are doomed to fail, let me write my opinion about this topic.

I have some concern about the mageia release future, the last stable had released one year ago, and for the next we didn't had any information about the date released. The only information for the future we have they are the 6.1, one years after the last stable is likely to be released soon. And after, the will be starting the preparation about the mageia 7, according to the wiki.

https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_7_Development

I am using mate desktop for mageia 6 i have mate 1.18, mate 1.20 released on February 7, 2018 five months ago, and if i want to use the new packages for the mate, will be waiting many months still, for will release mageia 7. I think one of the problem, big for me, for this distro, they don't have aggressive policy for this things or some alternative solution for whichever want fresh packages but with relative safety, cauldron don't make this because is very unstable in my opinion.

The example opensuse with the tumbleweed, or linuxmint based of the debian (lmde), to make every, two month one big update with all the packages, a situation semi-rolling, for me is very good idea

I don't have any problem with the (fixed) philosophy, as long as the timetable is kept for every released date, otherwise it is advisable to give anyone who wants an alternative solution,

If we are wanting to return to freshness the had when the started, it is necessary to will make one big step in front.
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