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by **oeai** » Dec 18th, '12, 16:22

ALoha!
i've been working on sound scheme and i need some tests,
it is the guitar theme i've recorded it and renamed files so you need just put it in the appropriate folder
i don't actually understand how to install it with some script, right now i don't see proper software to install for simply choose it. i cannot upload the file it is 2.2mb big, you can take it from here
http://mageia.symbiants.com/freedesktop/mageia.tar.bz2
also a little instruction
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install the sound-theme- freedesktop theme
download the mageia.tar.bz2 archive and unpack it in /usr/share/sounds directory, then the mageia theme will probably appear in system > preferences > sound ; if no then you should backup the /usr/share/sounds/freedesktop directory and unpack "stereo" folder into it from archive, you can change it back from backup at any time, maybe you'll need to be rooted so for real testers only ; )
after unpacking the directory you will need to chown dirs and files for user root 755 (i'll see what to do with user in archive pst if you git solution )
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you can listen these files
http://mageia.symbiants.com/play_free.d.php
and here's some more maybe you'll have your opinion on other files
http://mageia.symbiants.com/
i'm not really sure how much people my server will be able to work with, so in case of problems pst, right now i need the proper solution on stuff that needs to be installed and at least check if it's working under different desktops, so freedesktop is probably for lxde and gnome, but maybe for kde too? maybe both three will not working,
under gnome it is working after overwriting the directories, but i'd like to find some way to choose scheme and sounds, right now i don't know how.

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 16:20

as i see the gnome control center needs to be installed to somehow change the theme, kde is using own KDE_files and there's no solution unifying all sounds for pulseaudio or alsa in openbox or lxde
and even the gnome-control-center is not working properly with schemas so maybe the gconf needs to be used?

by oj » Dec 19th, '12, 18:32

KDE has a much more comprehensive control UI for this. In systemsettings (configure your desktop) in the application and system notifications link there's a panel for setting individual sounds to events, or to applications. Explore the drop down menus at the top to see what's available.

It is a tedious process. You just need to know where in the file system your sounds are (eg maybe in your ~/Downloads folder) and what the name of a specific file that you want to apply is.

I've never messed with a "theme" as a whole, but I suspect the way to do that would be to replace the existing files where the system is looking for them with your new files, but that would assume the 'theme' you have is laid out exactly the same including all the file names being the same.

You'll notice that the folder structure and naming conventions among the sound files is rather complex. That's why it's probably only doable by manually changing each sound one by one.

Fortunately, there's a button to test the sounds...

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 18:52

i'm changing the sound-theme source files to install it as standalone with automake .sh without installing freedesktop theme
so you can try to download the
http://mageia.symbiants.com/theme-mageia.tar.bz2
and run ./autogen.sh; make ; make install
to compile it you will need to install
automake >= 1.9
intltool >= 0.40
make
and i still didn't get to the test yet
well for KDE then i will not need to do so much =)) i just usually not using KDE
thanks anyway =)) it would be nice if you can test it ; ) at least in KDE

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 19:08

it is installing into /usr/local/share but it should install into /usr/share
i'm on testing scripts right now

by **dubigrasu** » Dec 19th, '12, 19:25

Technical problems aside I would like to say that I like it.
Two points though...some of them are a bit too long IMO. For example device removed should be rather made from the same three notes as device added but in reverse.
Also the reverberation is sometimes too loud/persistent compared to the instrument and when the notification stops the reverberation is cut too abruptly.

I really like the speaker setup sounds, having a nice dreamy voice which reminds me of Albedo 0.39 by Vangelis
Thank you.

(Imagine a thumbs up icon here, for we still have the same crappy icons)

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 20:43

oh, thanks for testing, yeah sometimes it's too long as well as login\logout? maybe i'll change it with those device in\out and setup some other sounds, i've just take some that i liked more and wanted to include them
as the reverse i'm thinking a little different way i think of the composition of sounds for events so device event is made of two compositions that actually can be combined or i hear something similar, so when you hear some music or sound you know of the system that produced it, so it is like compose it together.
about reverbs i will probably work more on files, so when more opinions about sounds will be given maybe i'll recreate it, i can do the clear sound without reverb of course, but this gonna be a different theme then, while you hear reverb you can actually try to produce another sound so it will be on and on and on, you can try it with raising sound volume, thanks you for testing and feedback, so i guess i don't need to change the sound test =)) and really you can try other sounds
http://mageia.symbiants.com/play_strings.php
and
http://mageia.symbiants.com/play_guitar.php

by **dubigrasu** » Dec 19th, '12, 21:00

i can do the clear sound without reverb of course

No no, the presence of the reverb is just fine, it sounds really great and it gives a nice depth, keep it.
Maybe you could just try to fade it out more to exit gracefully.

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 21:12

dubigrasu wrote:
Maybe you could just try to fade it out more to exit gracefully.

yeah i've done good fade in fade out for some, but then software was glitching and i was thinking of other problems =)
and really i'm on state of deciding which files should be included so maybe rework it.

there's a series of files with different loudness, so i thought that some sounds shouldn't be that loud as the main system, so it was kinda in background of sounds if you listen for music and it was not disturbing, that's why some files are more silent and maybe it should be considered to, because then i will rerecord it or normalize and then the d'art faders will be reworked as well

by **oeai** » Dec 19th, '12, 23:28

so far i found that only the renaming or symlinking mageia to freedesktop is working well for both /usr/share/sounds and /usr/local/share/sounds
but i found a gtk-theme-manager gonna modify it a little and try to use - need some tiny patch probably, can anybody tell me how python parses symlinks?

by **oeai** » Dec 20th, '12, 17:38

here's the sound theme manager for gnome that o found on github https://github.com/wasabili/GSoundThemeManager
but it was not working so i was sharping it hard and made some more sounds to edit you can take it here
http://mageia.symbiants.com/gthemeManage.tar.bz2
i've been working almost whole day on that python script programming and i resolve that bug not the best way but it is working at least
because of the bug with __custom directories the program was not starting at all, so needed my the-bug-gin skillz
to use it you will need the python installed on the system, download, extract, go to dir, - python ./set* build , then you can try it in build directory you'll find the gst*.py file use it with python, it is not looking for the /usr/local/share/sounds files, i'm kinda off with programming for some time? so if you like it you can do - sudo python ./set* install
in fact you can create and manage sounds with it, it can save your theme in $home/.local/share/sounds so it will probably work for different users the way they want it, but it really needs to be tested, and as i described above __custom directory is used to override system sounds, so there should be some more work really, now if you got that folder in sounds you can look for files that it is using and try to sopy the folder in the other place.

by **oeai** » Dec 20th, '12, 22:33

oh yeah i've done the fork of the program so you can check it out
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/GSoundThemeManager
i'm not really sured where to write about, so this package was included into system and really i'd like to see the sound theme manager in the control center as well as sound system managing

by **oeai** » Dec 27th, '12, 17:47

today i've done some rework on sound theme, some files are normalized, some became a little shorter, some are much louder now
here's the link for listen
http://mageia.symbiants.com/play_guitar.2.php
or download
http://mageia.symbiants.com/theme-mageia.2.tar.bz2
i'll think of shorter dektop login\out
and i think of changing the alarm-clock but really maybe it will be better if you will not like the alarm?
i've lowered the volume for
message
new-instant-message
device-added
device-removed
and with gstmanager you can actually set not so long login\out sounds since some of sounds are not used as i cannot hear them in my system (service login\out for example)
https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8539 i've started request to include those into mageia

by **oeai** » Dec 31st, '12, 18:02

Nice ! i found that pulseaudio 3 released and is up and running in Mageia 3, so i guess i can find some needed files in sources, but this gonna be next year.
HAPPY NEWCOMING YEAR!
ok, i found that the libcanberra is used for gtk.

by **oeai** » Jan 3rd, '13, 04:12

oj wrote:KDE has a much more comprehensive control UI for this. In systemsettings (configure your desktop) in the application and system notifications link there's a panel for setting individual sounds to events, or to applications. Explore the drop down menus at the top to see what's available.
It is a tedious process. You just need to know where in the file system your sounds are (eg maybe in your ~/Downloads folder) and what the name of a specific file that you want to apply is.

Well i looked for system settings the only thing that is similar to it is
system Settings > Application and System Notification
but there's no way of sound theme change or load a list of files, so i guess i need to do some scripting, but as i see in the directory of /usr/share/sounds that there are those KDE_theme_files so it is using probably the same library, so it would be nice to know exact file where those linked files-to-system-settings strings are stored and modify that file to use the others.
gonna check some installation scripts or maybe some config files.
and if it is using the same freedesktop library then it is probably the libcanberra again is used, but it is not true - i think, maybe it is just a pulseaudio with no other libs.
so really i would like to have the sounds configuration in mageia control center, that could make it for any desktop.

by **oeai** » Jan 20th, '13, 09:52

i'm doing a rework one more time now adding more fade ins and fadeouts
http://mageia.symbiants.com/guitar.3/
+
http://mageia.symbiants.com/play_guitar.2.php
but i still need not only testing but more scripting skills to create an installer and then package
any help?

by **oeai** » Jan 22nd, '13, 10:05

So here's the compile scripts and files so it would be nice if you can test it and at least tell me if it is working for you
i've added symlinks for KDE - so it should be working too
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/usual.art/ ... eia.Guitar
my virtual machine is not loading some driver and maybe you can tell me some better changes i can do in scripts
check the commit changes if you don't know about how the git repository to use
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/usual.art/ ... cb87ce6556
and just a tarball is here
http://mageia.symbiants.com/mageia.guitar.3.tar.bz2
download tarball, unpack into /usr/src/ under su and run autogen.sh then make && make install
to exec autogen you will need autoconf and automake, intltool, gcc installed
it is installing under /usr/local/share/sounds directory in my working system so i'm not sure if this gonna be working or need some more changes.

by **oeai** » Jan 23rd, '13, 01:32

so i was working on it for more, revoked my VM and testing myself as usual
http://mageia.symbiants.com/mageia.guitar.4.tar.bz2 - this version without symlinking the freedesktop theme
http://mageia.symbiants.com/mageia.guitar.5.tar.bz2 - and here i've made more hooks while installation, renaming freedesktop to freedesktop.theme
so it is more advanced but will work for all users without asking (i'm thinking of creating advanced config file for that)
i've added the user-install-sh script that produces some user symlinks that overrides sounds for gnome
and for kde there was no such solution so i had to symlink files for all users for now, gonna check some other opportunitites later
you can check changes on github as well or download it - press "view raw"
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/usual.art/ ... .5.tar.bz2

by **oeai** » Jan 23rd, '13, 05:57

So the better way of editing the KDE sounds is to enter akonadi db (that is part of innodb or mysql fork - i'm not sure) and change some data, but it seems like a big problem to write it as a script, so it should be done as a part of system settings i guess.
right now i didn't found any solution on how to do that, even how to change the Short login sound to Long, so for me the way of changing symlinks is already working and to get on akonadi db at least need some kind of socket reader, i'm not sure i want to think on it. maybe the package creating software can do the trick but i don't know how to create packages and actually i don't want to know this, i'm thinking of new synthetic theme instead and actually i got a lot of other thoughts in my mind - programming installation scripts is not included.

by **oeai** » Jan 23rd, '13, 19:49

and finally i've added the support of disabling hacks
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/usual.art/ ... .6.tar.bz2
http://mageia.symbiants.com/mageia.guitar.6.tar.bz2
you can just edit configure.ac file and set hacks to anything != yes
well i've being debugging a lot, need some rest for now, cyas.

by **oeai** » Feb 5th, '13, 03:22

i've started a synth.theme.1 you can prelisten it
http://mageia.symbiants.com/synth.1/
or
http://mageia.symbiants.com/synth.theme.1.tar.bz2
sounds a little hard sometimes on my opinion, but synths can be changed and regulated.

*upd installed 0.13 version of lmms so sound will be a lil more clearer in a few...

by **oeai** » Feb 9th, '13, 08:29

well i've finished with synth theme
http://mageia.symbiants.com - to hear&download
https://github.com/SyMbiANtS/usual.art - to download&ScriptCheck
with lmms you can create some special sound that can be better
there is lmms folder @ github, so if you like melody, but don't like the sound
- you can do it.

by **oeai** » Feb 20th, '13, 04:55

i've made one more theme and i really need some testing, if it is working at least on virtual machines?
would be nice to know for all themes, since i was changing installation scripts.

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