GUI-based display-settings configuration

Hello, Any...
I have a short story to tell, and I seek enlightened comments - and advice.
(You can just go to the end and see the questions - but you won't get the right "gist". Just like Linux, it's best you read the full "log" of things.)
"LINUX DISPLAY SETTINGS (video)"
Firstly, I must note to you that my system isn't "normal".
On this system Windows-2000 has been my workhorse. On it I only use freeware. Win-2000 has everything - and it flies! It does not miss a beat. Several months ago, after about a decade of use, I defragged it. (What's that all about?)
Unfortunately,
1. Microsoft no longer supports Windows-2000, of course. Not since years ago, actually.
2. Browser of choice is Opera-12. It's fantastic. Some of you might know that Opera-12 also
no longer has support - and a few websites are now failing to provide support for it too.
Failure to "support" O/S + Browser is becoming a problem in everyday usage - so I have decided to investigate a Linux alternative.
Don't get this wrong. I have dabbled in Linux on a regular basis over years.
My first experience in the "old days" was Redhat 4.2? or something - 3 CD's and Manual. ($20) Couldn't quite get the hang of it. Fix this; twiddle that; poke something else. And just WHAT was that command again? Was it "bna", or "nab", or "abn"? Maybe it was Bna, or baN.1.0.abr.0.fx..... ...aah, forget it!
Next I tried Mandrake 7.1 off a PC magazine cover. That always crashed just prior to finishing install. (I finally figured out that the disk was caput - and would NEVER load.) Then I tried Mandrake 7.2. Wow! I LIKED IT! The installer was killer, and Drake Control Centre was super. I never needed to go out of the GUI. And selecting graphics and making resolution choices - in the setup, and afterwards - was a breeze!
So I made a decision NOT to use ANY Linux that required continuous delving into "commandline". I only use Linux at the GUI. (That becomes important in the questions later. Please read on.)
Sadly Mandrake disappeared.
Then Mandriva popped up. Mandriva worked fine.
[However Windows2000 was still very fast; easy to use; had bundles of freeware... ...so it remained my workhorse.]
Every now and then I would try a new Linux distro. Always trouble. One thing or another. Often, the usual "blank screen". Unbelievable! Tried different distros; tried different versions. Always pain. Much, much pain!
Sadly Mandriva wound up.
OpenMandriva came along. It too loaded (on 2nd go) and looked promising. On my system it was a weeny bit slower than I liked, but OK. OpenMandriva looked like a winner for a modern switchover.
(Now isn't that funny? All the Mandrake-Mandriva-OpenMandriva family ALWAYS load easily, and work well. The other Linux lines don't.)
Oops. I must add that I tried PuppyLinux "Precise", and struggled with blurry video - but managed to get it working. Sweet! PuppyLinux "Tahr" is excellent too. A good, strong contender. It packs so much "punch" into such a small footprint.
Most recently, I also tried both Antix-15.1 Linux and MX-15 (an Antix/Mepis Linii integration). I tried them because they both have the option of NOT using system-d. BOTH load well, give me a desktop to use, but do NOT recognize my SiS-6326 adapter - which also means they don't detect my monitor either. They leave me with an unalterable 800x600 resolution, and zero refresh rate. (I note both distros are Debian-Jessie derivatives ("Jessie" won't install) and DO NOT have a SiS-6326 video driver included. I don't know if xf86-video-sis-antix is a driver, or how it is supposed to be set up. I do NOT use CLI, mostly.)
In trying out a hundred distros and versions I have relied heavily on http://www.distrowatch.com and http://www.dedoimedo.com Thanks. Brilliant!
Now, here's the thing...
Recently I tried Mageia-5. (Yet another Mandrake family derivative!) I thought this modern distro would definitely fail on my OLD, low-spec system. However, to my great surprise, it loaded FIRST POP. And WOW! It's fantastic!
However Mageia-5 (kernel 4.1.13) has produced a strange result for me - which I now want to share with you for meaningful discussion and feedback. I had a bit of trouble with the video - but got it working via GUI.
Here's the strange part(s).
* I selected the LG L-204WTQ monitor to use. (There's NO "196" model.)
* The SiS adapter video specification has a max resolution of 1600x1200, and also 1280 x 1024.
and
* The SiS adapter video spec also has only 8, 16 and 24 bit colour.
However, under this wonderful Mageia-5, I have now setup the display to 1440 x 900 resolution (matching monitor recommended spec.), with 15 bit colour, on a "204" model monitor.
To get that final result I had to use three programs - the normal MCC (Mageia Control Centre) video settings, plus two separate, xrandr-based, GUI, video-configuration, add-on programs. [My reasons for using the three separate programs were that the MCC allowed me to select the LG-L204WTQ monitor - along with >>> 15-bit <<< colour - and TEST any settings. Between the other two programs they inform me about refresh rates and resolution.]
>>>> So between the 3 programs, I established settings that are NOT supposed to be part of the SiS Video Adapter configuration. Why could I do that? How is it possible? Why is that only Mageia can do this, but not other distros? [I must qualify that here, by saying that OpenSuse-13.2 "Harlequin" installed, including detecting all hardware (although it found 3 monitors -correct model), briefly gave me a desktop background with mouse, failed to show a login box, then began cycling blank-screen-to-that-point ad infinitum. (No login!)]
Ultimately, for hard-core PC productivity, I cannot see myself using anything other than Mageia now - provided all things remain equal (especially AFTER any future system updates, or package installs). [I have read about quite a few problems and failures on many distros recently after standard upgrades.]
[For crying out loud, Mageia, the Control Centre concept that has persisted within the Mandrake family - now supported in Mageia-5 - has been utterly BRILLIANT! Do not change it! Build on it!
Mageia, I hope you can also work to ENHANCE the video-parameters "test-setup" model too, because it is the ONE thing that has anchored your distro-family, for me at least. (Note, if someone CAN get video working (easily) then they have the potential to get everything working - but NOT, if video fails. Of course, after video "success", everything else has to be easily "configurable" too.)
So, Mageia, Brilliant!]
Here is the CLI xrandr output...
Before that came up this message shows first: "Failed to get size output for gamma default."
(Remember the monitor is set to model 204, not the actual 196.)
...then...
At CLI "hwinfo" reports the Monitor as "generic" and resolution at 800 x 600 (which it clearly isn't).
So, Anyone, I am very interested to know why I was able to configure the antique SiS-6326 beyond it's capacity in Mageia-5, and any other ellucidatory detail, or fine comment.
wayne (of kelmscott)
I have a short story to tell, and I seek enlightened comments - and advice.
(You can just go to the end and see the questions - but you won't get the right "gist". Just like Linux, it's best you read the full "log" of things.)
"LINUX DISPLAY SETTINGS (video)"
Firstly, I must note to you that my system isn't "normal".
- M/B old EP-8KTA3+PRO (with RAID disabled in BIOS).
CPU AMD Athlon 1000MHz single-core
RAM 768MB
AGP slot for graphics card
GRAPHICS antique SiS-6326 adapter with 8MB RAM
(restricted by system to usable 4MB - based on card's addressing limit)
MONITOR LG L196WTQ flat screen (only started using this 2? years ago).
2 HDs -
A. 80GB Seagate (for Windows-2000), and
B. 40GB Western Digital (for Linux partitions)
[Disk A has GRUB 0.97 Legacy in MBR. In the past I used other boot options,
but now the larger disks forced me to look elsewhere, and in 2015 I ended up
with Grub 0.97 - and I LIKE IT! Unfortunately, Grub2 is pushing in!)[/list]
On this system Windows-2000 has been my workhorse. On it I only use freeware. Win-2000 has everything - and it flies! It does not miss a beat. Several months ago, after about a decade of use, I defragged it. (What's that all about?)
Unfortunately,
1. Microsoft no longer supports Windows-2000, of course. Not since years ago, actually.
2. Browser of choice is Opera-12. It's fantastic. Some of you might know that Opera-12 also
no longer has support - and a few websites are now failing to provide support for it too.
Failure to "support" O/S + Browser is becoming a problem in everyday usage - so I have decided to investigate a Linux alternative.
Don't get this wrong. I have dabbled in Linux on a regular basis over years.
My first experience in the "old days" was Redhat 4.2? or something - 3 CD's and Manual. ($20) Couldn't quite get the hang of it. Fix this; twiddle that; poke something else. And just WHAT was that command again? Was it "bna", or "nab", or "abn"? Maybe it was Bna, or baN.1.0.abr.0.fx..... ...aah, forget it!
Next I tried Mandrake 7.1 off a PC magazine cover. That always crashed just prior to finishing install. (I finally figured out that the disk was caput - and would NEVER load.) Then I tried Mandrake 7.2. Wow! I LIKED IT! The installer was killer, and Drake Control Centre was super. I never needed to go out of the GUI. And selecting graphics and making resolution choices - in the setup, and afterwards - was a breeze!
So I made a decision NOT to use ANY Linux that required continuous delving into "commandline". I only use Linux at the GUI. (That becomes important in the questions later. Please read on.)
Sadly Mandrake disappeared.
Then Mandriva popped up. Mandriva worked fine.
[However Windows2000 was still very fast; easy to use; had bundles of freeware... ...so it remained my workhorse.]
Every now and then I would try a new Linux distro. Always trouble. One thing or another. Often, the usual "blank screen". Unbelievable! Tried different distros; tried different versions. Always pain. Much, much pain!
Sadly Mandriva wound up.
OpenMandriva came along. It too loaded (on 2nd go) and looked promising. On my system it was a weeny bit slower than I liked, but OK. OpenMandriva looked like a winner for a modern switchover.
(Now isn't that funny? All the Mandrake-Mandriva-OpenMandriva family ALWAYS load easily, and work well. The other Linux lines don't.)
Oops. I must add that I tried PuppyLinux "Precise", and struggled with blurry video - but managed to get it working. Sweet! PuppyLinux "Tahr" is excellent too. A good, strong contender. It packs so much "punch" into such a small footprint.
Most recently, I also tried both Antix-15.1 Linux and MX-15 (an Antix/Mepis Linii integration). I tried them because they both have the option of NOT using system-d. BOTH load well, give me a desktop to use, but do NOT recognize my SiS-6326 adapter - which also means they don't detect my monitor either. They leave me with an unalterable 800x600 resolution, and zero refresh rate. (I note both distros are Debian-Jessie derivatives ("Jessie" won't install) and DO NOT have a SiS-6326 video driver included. I don't know if xf86-video-sis-antix is a driver, or how it is supposed to be set up. I do NOT use CLI, mostly.)
In trying out a hundred distros and versions I have relied heavily on http://www.distrowatch.com and http://www.dedoimedo.com Thanks. Brilliant!
Now, here's the thing...
Recently I tried Mageia-5. (Yet another Mandrake family derivative!) I thought this modern distro would definitely fail on my OLD, low-spec system. However, to my great surprise, it loaded FIRST POP. And WOW! It's fantastic!
However Mageia-5 (kernel 4.1.13) has produced a strange result for me - which I now want to share with you for meaningful discussion and feedback. I had a bit of trouble with the video - but got it working via GUI.
Here's the strange part(s).
* I selected the LG L-204WTQ monitor to use. (There's NO "196" model.)
* The SiS adapter video specification has a max resolution of 1600x1200, and also 1280 x 1024.
and
* The SiS adapter video spec also has only 8, 16 and 24 bit colour.
However, under this wonderful Mageia-5, I have now setup the display to 1440 x 900 resolution (matching monitor recommended spec.), with 15 bit colour, on a "204" model monitor.
To get that final result I had to use three programs - the normal MCC (Mageia Control Centre) video settings, plus two separate, xrandr-based, GUI, video-configuration, add-on programs. [My reasons for using the three separate programs were that the MCC allowed me to select the LG-L204WTQ monitor - along with >>> 15-bit <<< colour - and TEST any settings. Between the other two programs they inform me about refresh rates and resolution.]
>>>> So between the 3 programs, I established settings that are NOT supposed to be part of the SiS Video Adapter configuration. Why could I do that? How is it possible? Why is that only Mageia can do this, but not other distros? [I must qualify that here, by saying that OpenSuse-13.2 "Harlequin" installed, including detecting all hardware (although it found 3 monitors -correct model), briefly gave me a desktop background with mouse, failed to show a login box, then began cycling blank-screen-to-that-point ad infinitum. (No login!)]
Ultimately, for hard-core PC productivity, I cannot see myself using anything other than Mageia now - provided all things remain equal (especially AFTER any future system updates, or package installs). [I have read about quite a few problems and failures on many distros recently after standard upgrades.]
[For crying out loud, Mageia, the Control Centre concept that has persisted within the Mandrake family - now supported in Mageia-5 - has been utterly BRILLIANT! Do not change it! Build on it!
Mageia, I hope you can also work to ENHANCE the video-parameters "test-setup" model too, because it is the ONE thing that has anchored your distro-family, for me at least. (Note, if someone CAN get video working (easily) then they have the potential to get everything working - but NOT, if video fails. Of course, after video "success", everything else has to be easily "configurable" too.)
So, Mageia, Brilliant!]
Here is the CLI xrandr output...
Before that came up this message shows first: "Failed to get size output for gamma default."
(Remember the monitor is set to model 204, not the actual 196.)
...then...
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Screen 0: minimum 320 x 240, current 1440 x 900, maximum 1440 x 900
default connected 1440x900+0+0 0mm x 0mm
1440x900 60.00* 75.00
1280x800 75.00 60.00
1152x864 75.00
1024x768 75.00 70.00 60.00
896x672 60.00
832x624 75.00
800x600 75.00 60.00 56.00 72.00 65.00
700x525 75.00 60.00
640x512 75.00 60.00
640x480 75.00 60.00 73.00
720x400 70.00
576x432 75.00
512x384 75.00 70.00 60.00
416x312 75.00
400x300 75.00 72.00 60.00 56.00
320x240 75.00 73.00 60.00
At CLI "hwinfo" reports the Monitor as "generic" and resolution at 800 x 600 (which it clearly isn't).
So, Anyone, I am very interested to know why I was able to configure the antique SiS-6326 beyond it's capacity in Mageia-5, and any other ellucidatory detail, or fine comment.
wayne (of kelmscott)