word for word translation

[sisopetron]

Hi,

I'm a French supporter of Mageia. Unfortunately, my English is quite bad. To help me reading english web sites , I use the word for word translation provided by the google toolbar : you place the cursor on the word to translate. It's sufficient to help and It works very well on all sites except on this forum.
I believe there is a feature activated in the parameters of this forum which is blocking the translation. You, who are reading this post, if you are an admin, could you restore this feature for me ?

Thanks a lot.

Siso

[maat]

Sorry i don't see what you are speaking of.

Afaik we don't block things. And i don't even imagine how to block something that's working on-the-fly on your computer

Nota : as we both are french let us deal with it in french through PM... i'll post here the end of the story for our english speaking users

[sisopetron]

With the google toolbar, when I place the cursor on a word that I don't understand, a little window opens and shows the translation of that word. This action works on every site but not on the mageia forum.



So I guess there is something in the configuration of this forum which prevent this functionality.

By the way, thanks for your intervention, maat.

[maat]

Well i don't have google toolbar son it will be a little bit difficult to test...

i'll search a little bit on the web to see if it's a well known problem...

if you can search on your side to find what's missing that could save us a little bit of time

thanks for reporting btw

[Lebarhon]

Hi,

I agree with sisopetron, the translation with the Google bar is working everywhere except in this forum. It works in the Mandriva's forum

[sisopetron]

Thanks Lebarhon, I'm feeling less lonely now. Actually, it's a very useful feature I guess many people use.

@ maat : ok, I'll continue searching but I'm not a specialist of forum administration, so I'm afraid of not being helpful.

[maat]

i wonder if this could be linked to mageia forums being using https

[Lebarhon]

May be you are right maat, I tried on another https website (American express) and there is the same problem.

[maat]

If this is really the cause of the problem then the solution is in the toolbar i guess :-/

[wobo]

I just installed the toolbar and checked the phpbb3 forum at MandrivaUser.de - this is not running https, but either the translation is not working or I don't know how to get it to work. When I mark a word and then click on "translate" it always wants to translate the whole page.

[maat]

So this would be more likely to be linked to phpbb3 itself ?

[Lebarhon]

Yes, the word for word translation is working in MandrivaUser.de forum. You haven't to click anywhere, just let the mouse on the word and wait for a few seconds. However, in the Google bar, you have to click on the little arrow near the "translate" icon and to check the option "word for word translation".

[wobo]

Yes, the word for word translation is working in MandrivaUser.de forum. You haven't to click anywhere, just let the mouse on the word and wait for a few seconds. However, in the Google bar, you have to click on the little arrow near the "translate" icon and to check the option "word for word translation".

Hmm, does not work for me there.... oh! Can't work for me because may language is German, nothing to translate
Checking MLO... works!

Ok, so it seems to be the SSL feature, IMHO a problem of Google.

[isadora]

And of-course this is not something new.
There are more people encountering the same issue.
Some workarounds are to find right here:
http://ubuntuincident.wordpress.com/201 ... tps-pages/

And yes indeed, it is something with https that makes translation a problem.

[isadora]

Well okay, i tried all the workarounds, but at no success.
Even installed Babelfish, and tested translation combined with Yahoo-translation-engine, but also this didn't bring any better results.
Standard Babelfish uses Google translation-engine, but one can also define Yahoo.

In the end, the problem is with Google/Yahoo not supporting the https-protocol for translations (yet).

Google says the following: “Currently our webpage translation service will not translate secure https pages. This is because such pages often have secure content, that you wouldn’t want to send over the wire plain text to Google Translate.” That is, they know about this problem but they don’t have a good solution.

[sisopetron]

Now the question is : why do you use https for the forum ?

[maat]

Mageia auth system is centralized : people and in particular packagers use the same account and password for forums, bugzilla, pushing packages...

So using http would allow password leak and then potential injection of tampered with packages in the repositories

So mageai sysadmins enforced security everywhere they could

[isadora]

Now the question is : why do you use https for the forum ?

Or...............make it possible to address the forum through http and https, freedom of choice.

[maat]

Now the question is : why do you use https for the forum ?

Or...............make it possible to address the forum through http and https, freedom of choice.

I'll ask for it (but i'm prepared to get hanged for such heresy)

They could perhaps accept http if we can ensure login to go through secured channel dunno if we can have https for login and http for the rest

[rda]

Using plain http for anonymous browsing may be ok, but https is a must for login and authenticated browsing now (as should be any kind of authenticated session on the Web). Need to see this with sysadmin anyway.

[isadora]

Using plain http for anonymous browsing may be ok, but https is a must for login and authenticated browsing now (as should be any kind of authenticated session on the Web). Need to see this with sysadmin anyway.

Sounds very reasonable.

Maybe for anyone interested, some information into this matter can be found in an article at arstechnica.com

http://arstechnica.com/web/news/2011/03 ... ing-it.ars

[sisopetron]

Thanks Isadora for this interesting article. I understand the interest of an secure forum but it's a shame to abandon such a useful feature as the word for word translation. Nevertheless, I'll keep reading all the exciting topics in this forum.

[sisopetron]

Just find out an alternative : if the google toolbar is installed, double click on the word to translate and than right click and chose "translate ... the word to translate ... ".
I consider this thread as solved.