mageia3-beta 1 does not boot on old laptop

[martinr]

Hi!
I tried to boot a live.cd on an IBMt23 PentiumMIII 1000MHz 768MB RAM, the machine started once up to screen to choose language, but this was corrupt, broken screen in the middle and a lot of blue/black stripes.
Booting with save-modus and bootin with no acpi ended after 15 sec with some kernel-panics.
Is the machine to old for such new stuff? Mageia2 I could install with success.

Greetings

Martin

[oj]

If Mageia 2 installs fine, you could install it, change the repositories to cauldron sources and run urpmi --auto-update. Might be faster than trying to troubleshoot the installer.

[martinr]

Just doing this, let u know

Martin

[martinr]

Hm, giving this

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Installation fehlgeschlagen:    rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) wird benötigt von filesystem-2.1.9-19.mga3.i586
        libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.15) wird benötigt von aria2-1.16.1-2.mga3.i586
        libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.17) wird benötigt von aria2-1.16.1-2.mga3.i586
        perl-base >= 2:5.16.2 wird benötigt von perl-MDV-Distribconf-4.02-7.mga3.noarch
        librpm.so.3 wird benötigt von deltarpm-3.5git-6.mga3.i586
        librpmio.so.3 wird benötigt von deltarpm-3.5git-6.mga3.i586


Have to read more about this procedure

Martin

[Ken-Bergen]

Hm, giving this

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Installation fehlgeschlagen:    rpmlib(X-CheckUnifiedSystemdir) wird benötigt von filesystem-2.1.9-19.mga3.i586
        libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.15) wird benötigt von aria2-1.16.1-2.mga3.i586
        libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.17) wird benötigt von aria2-1.16.1-2.mga3.i586
        perl-base >= 2:5.16.2 wird benötigt von perl-MDV-Distribconf-4.02-7.mga3.noarch
        librpm.so.3 wird benötigt von deltarpm-3.5git-6.mga3.i586
        librpmio.so.3 wird benötigt von deltarpm-3.5git-6.mga3.i586


Have to read more about this procedure

Martin

Check https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:UsrM ... ease_Notes

[martinr]

followed this steps, last message after finishing was this

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[root@localhost martinrehm]# dracut -f
I: *** Including module: dash ***
I: *** Including module: i18n ***
I: *** Including module: rpmversion ***
I: *** Including module: plymouth ***
I: *** Including module: kernel-modules ***
I: *** Including module: resume ***
I: *** Including module: rootfs-block ***
I: *** Including module: terminfo ***
I: *** Including module: udev-rules ***
I: Skipping udev rule: 50-udev.rules
I: Skipping udev rule: 95-late.rules
I: Skipping udev rule: 50-firmware.rules
I: *** Including module: usrmount ***
I: *** Including module: base ***
I: *** Including module: fs-lib ***
I: *** Including module: shutdown ***
I: Skipping program kexec as it cannot be found and is flagged to be optional
I: *** Including modules done ***
I: Wrote /boot/initrd-3.4.24-desktop586-3.mga2.img:
I: -rw------- 1 root root 6367424 Jan 25 01:04 /boot/initrd-3.4.24-desktop586-3.mga2.img
[root@localhost martinrehm]#


Did this work out, I am not sure, gonna log out and/or reboot system
Trying to update system by GUI, it says nothing to update
Sorry for silly questions, have to learn about urpm, I am used to zypper, what seems quite more easy and less powerfull than urpm

Greetings

Martin

[martinr]

Started the laptop new today, I have seen a mixture of .mga2-packages and mga3-packages, control-center not working anymore after trying to install newest e17-packages e17.0 that has been offered today by explicit search in at that time still working control-center
Even new e17-packages could not be installed, failing dependencies to the older e16.999-dependencies.
I got a lot of orphaned packages, tried to get rid of them via control-center, this did not work.
So I tried the urpme-command, after that problems started, and I just know what I did wrong after reading some wiki-pages, I think I just purged some system-stuff like some x11-files.
At the moment I run

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urpmi --auto-update --auto

1453 packages to rebuild, this should be ok like has been written here
https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Feature:Mageia3MassRebuild
the server is ugly slow with 3G-Connection...will last up to tomorrow morning, so hopefully I will have mageia-cauldron on my antique laptop

What irritates me a bit, that a lot of actions are done witout showing or acting alternatives when installing packages, eg 2days-before installed mageia2 went well here with the outdated e17, today I realised there is an actual version but linked to mga3.
Even it was not obvious, from what repo it came ( I activated core-testing before, so maybe it was from there) I marked it for install, thinking it would upgrade my outdated e17-packages, but no, it installed beside and claimed a bunch of dependencies with the old e17-install, some weird, and trying to get rid of these, like written, ended in chaos.

Anyway, I am used to opensuse, I think package-handling there is much more clarified, choosing a package in yast, it will give installed version, versions from other repos, updates from this or another repo, you can change repos, go back to a repo, downgrade a package, if there are unresolved dependencies, you will get several choices, and most important, if you do not see the solution: "skip installation" and all stays as it was.

Missing this here a bit, but tommorrow is another day and I will know better.
So, mageia is some nice one, with its specific touch, I will keep on and asking silly questions

Greetings

Martin

[zxr250cc]

I have a T-23 as well and in the video chipset drivers for x-11 it needs the following:

Display Info
1024 x 768
Vendor: S3 Inc.
Model: SuperSavage/IXC 64 SDR
2D driver: savage
3D driver: Unknown Gallium (8.0.4)

These drivers must have been in Mageia 2 because the x server worked by default. The data above is from SUSE 12.2 on a T-23.

I have used Mageia 2 on one of these laptops as well as on an X-31 Think Pad. X-31 uses an ATI video chipset and works with 2 or 3 without extra work. Where did the SAVAGE video driver go?

cheers all

[doktor5000]

I believe that should be openchrome, IIRC. Only thread i found about that is https://www.zarb.org/pipermail/mageia-d ... 17719.html
Maybe you should try to manually install x11-driver-video-savage or x11-driver-video-openchrome ...

[zxr250cc]

Hi,

Thanks for the feedback.

I am not sure how anyone could install a driver for video when the video driver is corrupting the video display and you cannot see all the command choices for the live disk to get to a working desktop. Sort of like a feedback loop into infinity with no resolution?? Can't do one because you can't do the other....

I am not making a joke, just not able to understand how to install such a driver to get video to work on a T-23.

Oh, on a side note, many of us had a few problems with Mandriva 2011 and network manager. To my utter astonishment I got that to run on an X-31 Think Pad yesterday after deleting nm and apper, used ifup to set up the network and got a fully functioning install on that laptop only 20 days before they pull the plug on support! (if it was actually funny I would laugh here.. .) At least I finally got it to work after being away from it for over a year and having moved to mageia 2 to get a working system.

cheers all

[doktor5000]

You could try the advices from https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Mageia_2_Err ... rd_drivers and boot with xdriver=vesa
or run in failsafe mode to run drakx11 or install the relevant packages.

[zxr250cc]

I think here is actually a good place to mention that part of what is happening is that the various questions asked by the install program before the LIVE CD will run are part of what keeps it from working. If the LIVE disk would attempt to boot without questions about language, time, keyboard, location and 'do I agree to a license' thrown into the attempt to start the simplicity of a supposed live disk would be greatly improved. I have made this point previously in a forum in here and was told I needed to agree to a license. I disagree with that premise. Many other distro disks boot a live desktop with no questions asked. If I decide to install they have questions about the above mentioned selections but a LIVE DISK is just that: put it in the drive, reboot the computer and it shows a working program if the hardware is compatible.

AS A USER that is the ideal way to sample a LIVE disk.

Many of you in here are admins and think only of being an admin and running multi computer networks. That is a fine idea and useful. It is NOT useful to a person trying to sample a live disk as a user who is a stand alone computer user and thinks in that manner about trying software. Many of them don't understand Linux at all and are not sure about what it will look like. If other distributions boot without interference, and many do, then they are more likely to try one of those, I think, than to try to get through all the lead in questions for loading a live cd from our group. just an opinion...

Oh, I did try xdriver=vesa on the T-23 and also tried to do an install without video. both failed. I guess I will have to let this slide.

cheers all and thanks for the advice

[doktor5000]

AS A USER that is the ideal way to sample a LIVE disk.

Many of you in here are admins and think only of being an admin and running multi computer networks. That is a fine idea and useful. It is NOT useful to a person trying to sample a live disk as a user who is a stand alone computer user and thinks in that manner about trying software. Many of them don't understand Linux at all and are not sure about what it will look like. If other distributions boot without interference, and many do, then they are more likely to try one of those, I think, than to try to get through all the lead in questions for loading a live cd from our group. just an opinion...

Well, you're definitely right there. It should be possible to just throw in the LiveDVD and boot to a working desktop.
BUT - and that's a big but (no pun intended) - at one point, sooner or later you'll run into some weird problem, which requires your active participation,
and in 99% of all cases involves getting your hands dirty and running some weird commands in a terminal. If that happens under
Mageia or another distro doesn't matter.

So if you already give up at the first boot, chances are at the first bigger problem after choosing another distro you'll again
switch distros and so on and so on. That is often called distro-hopping ...
And for the reasons given, those are not the users we're aiming primarily for. We're looking for users wo actively participate,
either in forums or on mailing llists, or via the wiki or contribute to one of the numerous teams or by just spreading the word
about Mageia or helping to install it on as many boxes as possible (you get the idea). OR by giving constructive criticism,
which is what you did in this case.

So, what you could do, is to compare the default boot options of, say Mageia, Mint and Ubuntu, and then submit a bug report
for the improvement (and some test results/proposals) of the default boot options for Mageia ...

[zxr250cc]

I have used SUSE and Mandriva the most over the years plus Red Hat and Caldera early on. I have used others but until Mandriva self destructed I was happy with it exclusively for my home network from 2007 until the mess with 2011 and used SUSE from version 6 off and on in laptops. I have tried nearly every popular flavor of Linux, I suppose, but find that many of them have little reason to exist except to say they are different from X or derived from Y but better somehow. Usually not, really...

I think a major flaw of Linux is the excessive fragmentation and that is argued as greater choice but in my mind it is over selection and too little development that is common to all distributions for helping improve the Linux core as a whole. Many variants seem to be little more than riding piggy back on the work of others. I won't point a finger here as many of us can think of an example to fill in the blank for that idea. The work done in the late 90's and early '00s to standardize a lot of the core components would be great if it was going again now. If i win the lottery, I will possibly fund work in that area. As it stands now I can complain about it but do little to change it.

Mageia 2 has been good and works as expected. I am sad the beta of 3 does not work. I will wait and try again later when more work has been done on the release.

cheers.

[doktor5000]

I think a major flaw of Linux is the excessive fragmentation and that is argued as greater choice but in my mind it is over selection and too little development that is common to all distributions for helping improve the Linux core as a whole. Many variants seem to be little more than riding piggy back on the work of others. I won't point a finger here as many of us can think of an example to fill in the blank for that idea. The work done in the late 90's and early '00s to standardize a lot of the core components would be great if it was going again now. If i win the lottery, I will possibly fund work in that area. As it stands now I can complain about it but do little to change it.

Absolutely correct, i agree totally about that.
There's little advances in standardization, say with systemd for example.
But much more fragmentation, also partly due to the many desktop environments.
Look: KDE, GNOME, Mate, Cinnamon, Unity, XFCE, LXDE, razor-qt, e17 - each is using different components,
with more or less maturity, but each is using different components and interfaces to lower-level stuff.
That is one of the strenghts of linux, but also partly its achilles heel ... :/

[zxr250cc]

The other laptop I use is an X-31 Think Pad and tonight I have gotten Beta 2 to do a successful install on it. That was after a SUSE 12.3 RC1 install failed. I was quite surprised by this since I tried it before and it was a mess with funny quirks. After running updates it seems to be OK. I will do more checking for all functions before I decide it is OK but it looks and acts like it might be OK. More on this soon.

I note the NAGGING are you sure, positively, certainly and forever that you want to quit box is still popping up when I want to leave MCC. How CAN I KILL THAT, PERMANENTLY? It is really irritating. Next it will offer me a rocket bar and some ROSA components?

I am beginning to think the T-23 will not be useful after the previous level of installs. It works great with SUSE 12.2 and Mageia 2 but completely fails to do an install with Mageia 3 Beta2 or with SUSE 12.3 RC1

I wonder if the SIS Savage 9 video support was removed for this round of updates or in the new kernel versions?

cheers

[doktor5000]

I note the NAGGING are you sure, positively, certainly and forever that you want to quit box is still popping up when I want to leave MCC. How CAN I KILL THAT, PERMANENTLY? It is really irritating. Next it will offer me a rocket bar and some ROSA components?

Look here for the already existing thread about this topic and the link to the bugreport: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=4213
If you want this to be removed, please comment constructively in the bugreport.

[zxr250cc]

I previously commented in the bug report area about that but it looks like my post was deleted. Maybe you could start a STICKY POST VOTE to kill that pop up and let the group decide, or get them to return a chance to kill it in the settings? It is incredibly annoying.

cheers

[doktor5000]

I previously commented in the bug report area about that but it looks like my post was deleted.

Deleting comments in a bugreport is not possible, FWIW.

[zxr250cc]

I had posted my complaint about nagging pop ups as a comment in the bug report area. I thought it would show in here but was clearly mistaken. thanks for the link.

gcd 2013-02-04 00:00:32 CET

I choose to use MCC and I have logged in with a PASSWORD.

I am doing system work. I know where I am and I know when I want to leave.

Having a POP UP like Windows Vista annoy me (twice) asking me if I want to leave is really irritating. It is not a good feature, it is an annoying feature. It should not be once or twice. It should NOT be, period...

Simple is best. Please KILL IT.

Thanks.

Written with : THINK PAD T-23 1.2 GHZ PIII, 1 GB RAM, SIS SUPER 9 VIDEO CHIP SET and SUSE 12.2

[isadora]

I managed to get the T-23 to set up x-11 and finish the install by forcing it to use xdriver=vesa during the initial install.
T-23 1.2 GHZ, 1 GB RAM, Savage Super 9 video chip set with 16 MB video RAM

The initial working install xorg.conf file looked like this:

Section "Device"
Identifier "device1"
VendorName "Custom"
BoardName "Set by boot parameter"
Driver "vesa"
Option "DPMS"
EndSection

I then went into XFdrake and set up x-11 to this:

Section "Device"
Identifier "device1"
VendorName "S3 Inc."
BoardName "S3 Savage-based cards"
Driver "savage"
VideoRam 16384
Option "DPMS"
Option "AccelMethod" "EXA"
EndSection

This works but seems to give me slow video performance. I am wondering if I can set the driver I am using to have no acceleration and if it will then work better than it is now for speed.

Anyone have experience with this? Will changing the acceleration to "NoAccel" and "true" speed up the 2d video performance? Or should I leave it alone if it works?

cheers..

[doktor5000]

You may want to google a bit on that, as that graphics chip is not that commonly used.

Some relevant threads:
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=97649
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=88392
https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=150611
http://www.linuxforen.de/forums/showthread.php?t=268764

The problem seems to be quite a bit older, or it happened already before:

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http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mandrivauser.de%2Fforum%2Fviewtopic.php%3Ff%3D152%26t%3D21173%26sid%3D6f3d7dab167fc95cd19cac3c2b826522

You may also try to switch to software mouse cursor ( Option “SWCursor” “true” ) in the device sections as that worked for some.
Another thing you should look at is the AccelMethod ...

[zxr250cc]

I will follow the links and see what others have seen with this. I have had three variants of the T-23 laptops (900 mhz, 1 ghz and 1.2 ghz models) that I bought off e-bay years ago and all had Savage Super 9 video chips. Maybe T-21 and T-22 were different. The acceleration chosen at present is the one that functions properly. There are two choices and the other choice causes a screen that is a scrambled mess, not functional. The Savage driver works for these chips and the SIS driver definitely does not.

How does the mouse come in as far as speed is concerned? The cursor slows down video? I don't need 3d video for this laptop and if I can speed it up with optimized 2d I will be happy. It isn't a game machine after all; it is a portable work unit and test bed for software generation changes like we are doing now.

cheers

[doktor5000]

hardware-accelerated (-drawn) cursor causes acceleration issues with some drivers, so it may be woth a try to disable it.

Also as you write that the currently chose acceleration functions properly, what is the issue?
Apart from that your graphics issue should definitely be split in a separate thread, as it has nothing
to do with the original topic.