[MGA 7 beta 2] $LANGUAGE bug

[kensan]

Hi,
This is a split of my previous post that contained two topic.

Another problem is the bash language, my $ echo $LANGUAGE is "en_US:it" but if I do

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    $ ls adsasdas
    ls: impossibile accedere a 'adsasdas': File o directory non esistente


the lang is "it" and not "en". I suppose the fall-back language is "it". Is it my error or is it a bug?

doktor5000 has answer me with this post:

For the language setting in your shell, best add the output of locale
It would also be interesting how you ended up with that setting, as usually it is only set to one language. And yes, this would be a fallback, with english as primary and italian as fallback.
See e.g. https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ma ... E-variable
Although the language settings by systemsettings can also be manually edited, as they simply end up in a shell script which is sourced by your session, although I don't know where it's located for KDE5 otoh.
Might be in ~/.kde/env/ but I'd have to check.

[kensan]

doktor5000 has answer me with this post:

For the language setting in your shell, best add the output of locale
It would also be interesting how you ended up with that setting, as usually it is only set to one language. And yes, this would be a fallback, with english as primary and italian as fallback.
See e.g. https://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ma ... E-variable
Although the language settings by systemsettings can also be manually edited, as they simply end up in a shell script which is sourced by your session, although I don't know where it's located for KDE5 otoh.
Might be in ~/.kde/env/ but I'd have to check.

I've read the gnu manual that you have linked.
And
$ cat /home/sandro/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh
is:

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# Generated script, do not edit
# Exports language-format specific env vars from startkde.
# This script has been generated from kcmshell5 formats.
# It will automatically be overwritten from there.
export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
export LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_COLLATE=it_IT.UTF-8
export LANGUAGE=en_US:it

If I set LANGUAGE to "en_US" the local bash has error message in en and not it,

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$ locale
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_ALL=


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$ cat ~/.i18n
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8

I never setted "it" as a primary language.

[doktor5000]

What timezone are you in or which did you select, or in what country are you located ?
Please also check the contents of /etc/sysconfig/i18n

[kensan]

What timezone are you in or which did you select, or in what country are you located ?
Please also check the contents of /etc/sysconfig/i18n

I suppose GMT+2, Rome Italy.

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$ cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8
SYSFONT=lat0-16

[doktor5000]

As I assumed, it's pretty much a mixup. Although the italian parts match with your timezone, as I expected.
You will probably have to figure out the most sensible mixture of what you need and post that here, and then maybe we can sort out if there's an actual bug somewhere or if it's just because of the english / italian mixup.
Because so far the system seems to behave as configured.

Do you remember what you selected as language during installation ? Cf. http://doc.mageia.org/installer/6/en/co ... guage.html
And maybe after installation, did you run localedrake at some point, and maybe any changes there? http://doc.mageia.org/mcc/6/en/content/localedrake.html

[kensan]

As I assumed, it's pretty much a mixup. Although the italian parts match with your timezone, as I expected.
You will probably have to figure out the most sensible mixture of what you need and post that here, and then maybe we can sort out if there's an actual bug somewhere or if it's just because of the english / italian mixup.
Because so far the system seems to behave as configured.

Do you remember what you selected as language during installation ? Cf. http://doc.mageia.org/installer/6/en/co ... guage.html
And maybe after installation, did you run localedrake at some point, and maybe any changes there? http://doc.mageia.org/mcc/6/en/content/localedrake.html

Yes, I setup two language: English USA and It ITA during installation.

Then when the language was Italian in bash and programs I run localdrake but without success. I set english (USA) as language (the choice comprise Italian but I don't set it), then next, then the Country (Italy) e then a pop up (You need to logout and login), then the windows closed itself.

What I want?

At this point I would set only English language and throw away The fallback language but It is impossible to change my choice. I want to return to the initial choice with #localedrake but It don't work. If I set English and then logout and then echo $LANGUAGE I get always: "en_US:it". If I use System Settings it crash. So I am stuck.

The last chance is to modify the txt file where system settings/localdrake save the LANGUAGE but I don't know where it is.

[doktor5000]

The last chance is to modify the txt file where system settings/localdrake save the LANGUAGE but I don't know where it is.

That would be /etc/sysconfig/i18n AFAIK.
You could try renaming that file, then logout/login again and run localedrake to only select english as language.
Later you can check if systemsettings still crashes that way.

[kensan]

The last chance is to modify the txt file where system settings/localdrake save the LANGUAGE but I don't know where it is.

That would be /etc/sysconfig/i18n AFAIK.
You could try renaming that file, then logout/login again and run localedrake to only select english as language.
Later you can check if systemsettings still crashes that way.

I suppose it is not. I have renamed the i18n:
# mv /etc/sysconfig/i18n /etc/sysconfig/i18n.orig
logout/login
# localedrake The option was the same with the original i18n)
set English USA as lang and country Italy
logout/login
$ls asdasd
Italian message error
$system settings -> remove italian (crash)
# cat /etc/sysconfig/i18n (It is the same of /etc/sysconfig/i18n.orig)

So I suppose the two language there are in system settings are not saved in /etc/sysconfig/i18n

[doktor5000]

So I suppose the two language there are in system settings are not saved in /etc/sysconfig/i18n

No, as those are different things. /etc/sysconfig/i18n is the systemwide configuration, and systemsettings does the configuration per user, which can be different.

I'd suggest filing a bug report for this, as it seems to be reproducible, and it looks like a pretty common configuration (language is english, but other stuff like currency, collation, paper and number formats might differ).

[kensan]

No, as those are different things. /etc/sysconfig/i18n is the systemwide configuration, and systemsettings does the configuration per user, which can be different.

Yes, it is my fault, the locale configuration per user is ~/.i18n

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$ cat ~/.i18n
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=en_US.UTF-8

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$ echo $LANGUAGE
en_US:it
$ ls asd
ls: impossibile accedere a 'asd': File o directory non esistente

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$ LANGUAGE="en_US"
$ ls asd
ls: cannot access 'asd': No such file or directory

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$ LANGUAGE="en_US:it"
$ ls asd
ls: impossibile accedere a 'asd': File o directory non esistente


I'd suggest filing a bug report for this, as it seems to be reproducible, and it looks like a pretty common configuration (language is english, but other stuff like currency, collation, paper and number formats might differ).

Ok, I fill a bug report but the core of the bug where is it?

• system settings crash?
• localedrake don't change bash error message?
• ~/.i18n LANGUAGE don't change if I use localedrake? (or maybe localedrake affect only /etc/sysconfig/i18n?)
• ~/.i18n LANGUAGE and bash $LANGUAGE are different, why?
• if bash $LANGUAGE is "en_US:it" why is it "it_IT" the first language?

[martinw]

/etc/locale.conf is the new location for system-wide locale settings. localedrake still writes /etc/sysconfig/i18n as well, for backwards compatibility.

[kensan]

/etc/locale.conf is the new location for system-wide locale settings. localedrake still writes /etc/sysconfig/i18n as well, for backwards compatibility.

TY for the info:

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/etc/locale.conf
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LANGUAGE=en_US.UTF-8:en_US:en
LC_ADDRESS=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_IDENTIFICATION=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NAME=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_PAPER=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TELEPHONE=it_IT.UTF-8

[martinw]

OK, everything in /etc/locale.conf (and /etc/sysconfig/i18n) looks correct if you selected US English as your primary language and Italy as your country. It is normal that some of the LC_ variables are set according to your language, and others are set according to your country. The installer/localedrake are working as intended.

I think your problem stems from using the Plasma system settings to set two alternative languages, US English and Italian. That is what wrote the

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export LANGUAGE=en_US:it

in ~/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh. This sets your first choice for translated messages to US English and your second choice to Italian. If neither can be found, the application/program will fall back to its default untranslated messages (which will usually be in English).

The gotcha here is that there usually aren't any explicit US English translations, which causes your first choice to be skipped and your second choice to be used. The application/program will only fall back to the default (English) messages if there aren't any Italian translations available.

So, to fix your problem, just delete your alternative languages in Plasma system settings.

[kensan]

OK, everything in /etc/locale.conf (and /etc/sysconfig/i18n) looks correct if you selected US English as your primary language and Italy as your country. It is normal that some of the LC_ variables are set according to your language, and others are set according to your country. The installer/localedrake are working as intended.

I think your problem stems from using the Plasma system settings to set two alternative languages, US English and Italian. That is what wrote the

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export LANGUAGE=en_US:it

in ~/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh. This sets your first choice for translated messages to US English and your second choice to Italian. If neither can be found, the application/program will fall back to its default untranslated messages (which will usually be in English).

The gotcha here is that there usually aren't any explicit US English translations, which causes your first choice to be skipped and your second choice to be used. The application/program will only fall back to the default (English) messages if there aren't any Italian translations available.

So, to fix your problem, just delete your alternative languages in Plasma system settings.

I have understand only fifty percent of your answers but the conclusion are ok. The problem is that System settings crash if I attempt to remove alternative language. I can try to change or remove the file that origin plasma locale settings, but Does exist this file?

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~/.config/plasma-locale-settings.sh
# Generated script, do not edit
# Exports language-format specific env vars from startkde.
# This script has been generated from kcmshell5 formats.
# It will automatically be overwritten from there.
export LANG=en_US.UTF-8
export LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
export LC_COLLATE=it_IT.UTF-8
export LANGUAGE=en_US:it


[martinw]

Sorry, I don't use Plasma - maybe someone else knows. When I tested this, I did notice there were two locale config files in ~/.config : plasma-locale-settings.sh and plasma-localerc - you could try changing both and see what happens.

Best to open a bug report for the crash when using Plasma system settings to remove languages.

[kensan]

Sorry, I don't use Plasma - maybe someone else knows. When I tested this, I did notice there were two locale config files in ~/.config : plasma-locale-settings.sh and plasma-localerc - you could try changing both and see what happens.

Best to open a bug report for the crash when using Plasma system settings to remove languages.

Ok, if Plasma System Settings crashed when I attempt to remove the second language is a bug but not so primary.

plasma-localerc:

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[Formats]
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
useDetailed=true

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LANGUAGE=en_US:it

This text file is the source of Plasma SS, when I remove "it" it disappear from SS, so now I can remove (manually) the second language.
But after the stripping the "ls asdasd" give a error message in Italian language, also after reboot. I have try to set LANGUAGE=en_US:it_IT but SS display a red error alert. MCC is in Italian also after the stripping.

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[Formats]
LANG=en_US.UTF-8
LC_COLLATE=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MEASUREMENT=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_MONETARY=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_NUMERIC=it_IT.UTF-8
LC_TIME=it_IT.UTF-8
useDetailed=true

[Translations]
LANGUAGE=en_US