KDE 4.7 released to day

[PietroTux88]

http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.7/

Soon on mageia Cauldron

[isadora]

And on Mageia Cauldron, just installed and all seems to work smoothly so far.

[PietroTux88]

yeah KDE 4.7.0 work 100 well on cauldron mageia Isadora. W Mageia rulez

[wobo]

Here I could watch the difference between the GUI updater (in MCC) and the konsole way (urpmi).
At first I ran the GUI which told me I have to remove lib64kipiplugins to install the updates. I accepted this, but nevertheless the GUI stopped several times telling me it can not install kipi-packages because of a conflict. After all was done I rebooted, tried again with the GUI, same story - 56 packages could not be installed. Then I started 'urpmi --auto-update' which removed the aforementioned lib64kipiplugin package and installed all remaining packages without problems.

Sorry, GUI-lovers, but you should really try to learn punching in a few keys to use urpmi.

[PietroTux88]

wobo i have installation the packages missing on mirrors mageia different for rpmdrake and perl-urpm and kde language. But mageia now is very stable i have fix the problem wifi ath9k_htc manually i have download the firmware from compat-wireless stable 3.0 kernel linux and now i can surf on web with atheros.

This is my mageia Cauldron KDE 4.7.0 x86_x64 i attachment files

[doktor5000]

But mageia now is very stable i have fix the problem wifi ath9k_htc manually i have download the firmware from compat-wireless stable 3.0 kernel linux and now i can surf on web with atheros.

Could you please post this in the other thread you opened about that problem so other Mageia users know how to solve this problem?

[PietroTux88]

yes i can post the fix is very easy

[Franklin]

Will it be backported to Mageia 1?

[dubigrasu]

Now that's a good question, because nothing seems to be happening for us poor chaps still running only Mageia 1.

[doktor5000]

Nothing seems happening? How are you contributing to the progress of Mageia 1?
Have you considered: viewtopic.php?f=15&t=739

[dubigrasu]

Like I said, nothing seems to be happening, updates are really scarce. There is movement in Testing, but I don't wanna use that.
Also I'm not a Mageia contributor, I don't have skills for that. I'm just a simple Mageia1 user.

[wobo]

Well, then you have only the choices of a "simple user" (remark: in all those years of user relations I have seen only very few "simple users"):
- sit down at the table and wait until the food is served and it's not arriving one minute earlier than when it is done
- go to the kitchen and try to help
- go out and buy a pizza.

[dubigrasu]

I'm asking if KDE 4.7 will be available for Mageia1, not when.

[doktor5000]

Think: If nobody wants to use _testing, then the updates will take forever to be finished - or just a really long time.

Also _testing is not really _testing, these are update candidates: essentially the same package, which lands later on
directly in _updates, when enough users verify it works.

In my eyes, if you don't contribute to the updates process in some way, you lose also the "right" to complain that it takes too long.

[dubigrasu]

Man, you guys are really grouchy today aren't you?
It was a simple question: will be KDE 4.7 available for Mageia1 or not?
Possible answers: No, Yes, We don't know, etc.
Given the lack of updates on Mageia1 I just want a simple information if someone knows the answer and is kind enough to share.

For the testing part, no, I will not install testing software on this computer. It is stable and I want to remain this way, because I need it this way for my work.

Once again, (if I wasn't clear enough so far) I do not asking how long will it take, but if it will be done or not.

Please.

[wobo]

Man, you guys are really grouchy today aren't you?
It was a simple question: will be KDE 4.7 available for Mageia1 or not?
Possible answers: No, Yes, We don't know, etc.
Given the lack of updates on Mageia1 I just want a simple information if someone knows the answer and is kind enough to share.

Yes, we know the answer and with a little reading you would have known it as well. The answer is not just yes or no, if it were you can be sure you would have received just that answer. As explained, the availability of updates depends directly on the availability of users testing and giving feedback. Few users = few updates. More = more.

[dubigrasu]

Thank you wobo.
I did my reading don't worry, but I'm asking this to make sure.

More exactly I see in Testing repos KDE 4.6.5, so I guess only that will take some time to appear in stable software. By that time devs might already decide against backporting KDE 4.7 to Mageia1.
Hence my question about probability of KDE 4.7 ever landing in Mageia1.

Thanks again, and BTW I can use a pizza and a beer...mmmm
But for now I'll just have my (late) morning coffee.

[doktor5000]

More exactly I see in Testing repos KDE 4.6.5, so I guess only that will take some time to appear in stable software. By that time devs might already decide against backporting KDE 4.7 to Mageia1.

Well, you may have read, but seems you didn't understand fully.

KDE 4.6.5, a minor upgrade, a bugfix only release, lies in updates_testing for nearly 4 weeks now. If a bugfix only release doesn't get
verified because noone or not enough people test it in a month, how would you estimate the possibility and the timespan
of a major KDE upgrade? Is this goes on like that, won't happen until Mageia 2 is out.

And developers don't decide this just like that: They will look: How many users tested KDE 4.6.5 update candidate, how long
did it take and what was the result and how much resources did it take? In this case, how would you decide as the developer?

[dubigrasu]

Well, you may have read, but seems you didn't understand fully.

Exactly, and that's why I asked someone else.

[wobo]

And developers don't decide this just like that: They will look: How many users tested KDE 4.6.5 update candidate, how long
did it take and what was the result and how much resources did it take? In this case, how would you decide as the developer?

This applies to ALL updates!
Plus the impression developers will get when nobody comes testing an update - they may think that nobody is interested in that update.

[Franklin]

So...

Do I have to test 4.6.5 first and then I can see 4.7 on backports_testing?

I updated my laptop from mageia 1 to mageia cauldron because I need a KDE 4.7 environment for our KDE 4.7 release party (held in 8/2).
In cauldron it's 4.6.95 and actually it runs well. But what bothers me is that I don't want to keep updating cauldron in my laptop because it may some day make my laptop unusable (from the experiences of using Mandriva cooker...). That's why I asked if KDE 4.7 would be backported in Mageia 1.

I'd like to test backport testing KDE 4.7 (since the version in cauldron runs well). Would anyone please tell me how to get them? I didn't see them in backport and backport_testing repositories. Only, as dubigrasu said, 4.6.5 there.

Thanks.

--
Franklin

[Franklin]

And to be honest, I can see 4.6.5 on mageia-app-db, but not in repositories.

Only kchmviewer was in the group KDE of backports.



Franklin

[doktor5000]

KDE 4.6.5. is an update candidate, no backport and lies in core/updates_testing, as in here:
http://ftp.mandrivauser.de/mirrors/Mage ... s_testing/

If you only see kchmviewer then your mirror is outdated.

And no, KDE 4.7 is only available in cauldron right now.

[mikala]

At this time of Mageia 1 Life , KDE SC 4.7.x won't make it as an update for Mageia 1 :
-> we don't have enough people in QA to properly test it ( 4.6.5 is already since quite a long time in testing for example)
-> there is the kdepim changes in KDE SC 4.7 (kmail2 is still slow, migration is not perfect & if kmail2 is now far more stable then it was in KDEPIM SC 4.5 or 4.6 there's still several bugs to fix), as reminder we provided kdepim 4.4.11 with Mageia 1
-> there's several changes on packaging for KDE SC 4.7 which means more works for a small team like Mageia is.

So in summary i really doubt that KDE SC 4.7 will land on Mageia 1 and i personally won't push it as backports for Mageia 1 in it's current state.

[wobo]

Thx for this comprehensive look on the whole issue - another post we can point people to who come asking.