Some apps fail localisation

[morgano]

When some applications install wrong languages, should i submit bug against that apps main package or something more general?

Yesterday i did a fresh install of cauldron, swedish install language, but firefox only pulled english packages for interface and spelling despite swedish is avaialble, and gcompris pulled the finnish language...

(Corrected spell. I will get back with more info later)

[jaywalker]

It might just be that the localisation efforts of the i18n team haven't yet caught up with all supported applications. You might like to pose your question on that forum (viewforum.php?f=10)

[doktor5000]

@jaywalker: His problem description does have nothing to do with the work of the i18n team.
It sounds like a packaging issue or some weird caudlron problem, but without some logs or package lists, i can't say anything more specific.

[obgr_seneca]

The dok is right here.
Our i18n team does work on our translations, meaning, the installer, drakxtools, website, blog,...
The translations of other applications are done by their respective i18n teams.
So it sounds to me like some weird packaging problem. Could you give more information about your system?

Oliver

[morgano]

cauldron i586 fresh network install a week ago:
Made a lean install with LDXE and not much more.
then reboot and urpmi task-KDE.. and some other.
Then using MCC>Program i installed some more, and noted:
1) I selected gcompris , and it wanted some dependencies but selected finnish instead of swedish, i corrected manually
2) I selected firefox , and it wanted some dependencies but selected english instead of swedish, i corrected manually

Could you tell more specifically what you need to know?

[jaywalker]

So when you clicked on gcompris the popup "Additional packages needed" screen listed gcompris-sounds-fi instead of gcompris-sounds-sv? Or did it list the Swedish one and give you the Finnish one instead? I take it that your locale is set for Sweden, yes?

[doktor5000]

@morgano: Please show the outputs of

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locale

and

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rpm -qa | grep locales

[morgano]

"Additional packages needed" screen listed gcompris-sounds-fi instead of gcompris-sounds-sv?

Exactly.

Output from locale: every item "=sv_SE.UTF-8", except the last: LC_ALL=

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rpm -qa | grep locales
locales-fi-2.14.1-3.mga2
locales-2.14.1-3.mga2
locales-sv-2.14.1-3.mga2
locales-en2.14.1-3.mga2

Hm, how did the -fi- get in there?

EDIT; ADD:

removing locales-fi also removes voikko-fi, and so i did that now.
What is voikko? Only other *voikko* installed is libvoikko1 which is for spellcheckers and hyphenators, and many packages depends on it.
Could voikko-fi have been pulled by somme suggest of libvoikko, and thus also locales-fi?

[obgr_seneca]

voikko is a finnish spell checker.
Why voikko-fi was pulled I can't say, it is not here on a system set to de_DE.

Oliver

[jaywalker]

What is voikko?

I have often wondered that myself - every time I install MGA2.

it is not here on a system set to de_DE.

Maybe I should learn German - then I could avoid that too.

Things depending on libvoikko1

- drakconf-12.24-1.mga2.noarch
- drakx-net-1.5-1.mga2.noarch
- drakx-net-applet-1.5-1.mga2.noarch
- drakxtools-14.3-1.mga2.x86_64
- enchant-1.6.0-4.mga2.x86_64
- gimp-2.7.4-4.mga2.x86_64
- gimp-data-extras-2.0.2-3.mga1.noarch
- harddrake-ui-14.3-1.mga2.x86_64
- lib64enchant1-1.6.0-4.mga2.x86_64
- lib64javascriptcoregtk1.0_0-1.8.0-2.mga2.x86_64
- lib64webkitgtk1.0_0-1.8.0-2.mga2.x86_64
- mgaonline-2.77.32-1.mga2.noarch
- perl-Gtk2-WebKit-0.90.0-3.mga2.x86_64
- python-enchant-1.6.5-1.mga1.noarch
- rpmdrake-5.33-1.mga2.noarch
- userdrake-1.13.6-1.mga2.x86_64
- webkit-1.8.0-2.mga2.x86_64
- webkit1.0-1.8.0-2.mga2.x86_64

Yes, I know, this is madness and can't possibly be right. Welcome to faux-dependency hell.

[obgr_seneca]

Well the dependency to libvoikko is there, we cannot provide different rpms linked against it or not linked against it. This would result in having every package several times on the mirror.
The problem is not the dependency towards the lib, but why voikko-fi is installed.
If you really want a system that does only have the dependencies you like, you have to go with LFS. A distributor can't help there.

The problem most likely is a regional one. Since Sweden does have a strong finish speaking minority, something seems to require finish localization packages on a swedish system.

The best thing would be to file a bug report against those packages pulling fi localizations on a sv system.

[jaywalker]

The problem most likely is a regional one. Since Sweden does have a strong finish speaking minority, something seems to require finish localization packages on a swedish system.

The logic of what you say is compelling. My locale is en_GB. I am guessing the culprit is webkit, or possibly enchant. They are the only two names in the dependents list about which I know nothing of their purpose, so they might have some affinity with Finnish.

Richard

[obgr_seneca]

And you have "voikko-fi" installed or just libvoikko1?
As I said, the lib most likely can't be done without. But the dictionary itself voikko-fi should not be there.

Oliver

[jaywalker]

Understood. It is enchant - apparently a spell-checker. And the Finnish dictionary is absent. So that's all OK then.

[doktor5000]

AFAIK voikko is automatically installed when locales-fi is present, also -fi language packages get automatically installed when locales-fi is installed,
in general this is the mechanism which automatically selects language packages, dictionaries/spellcheckers according to the installed locales-XX packages.
So you should figure out why you got locales-fi in the first place.

[morgano]

So you should figure out why you got locales-fi in the first place.

Any idea how to see how i got that?
Nothing seem dependent on it as i could remove locales-fi and it only pulls away voikko-fi with it.

Not sure how it works, but could it have come as a suggest?
Is there some method to search installed packages for if they suggest voikko-fi (or locales-fi)

On a fresh default install LXDE + KDE yesterday i did not get -fi
And selecting gcompris correctly pulls swedish voice file.

So maybe it was temporary and fixed and we should just let it rest.

[doktor5000]

Kamil was so kind to report that as a bug and is trying to figure it out: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5404

[morgano]

And here is for Firefox: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5708