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Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby Ecocomputing » Nov 3rd, '15, 18:31

Hi,
I've been working on making a set of update scripts for any linux distro (we're mainly focusing at compatibility with Slitaz to start, but any other linux distro would also be supported; for other distros, the users can change the scripts a bit) See http://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxefficiencyscripts/

We do need some programmers/scripters to finish off some scripts we started, knowingly:
LES_bootmenu_changing.sh
LES_Linuxdirectorytree_changing.sh (still needs to add different
mountpoints, ...)
LES_BusyBox_cmd_update.sh
More info on what does what at http://sourceforge.net/p/linuxefficiencyscripts/wiki/FAQ/
You'll notice that the scripts will add important, useful features, such as allowing booting with and without persistence, making the drive lettering more logical, ... As such, it could be important to the popularising of linux as a whole, and convince more people to switch to linux, which in turn is beneficial for the comunity as well (as that will make more hardware manufacturers support it by default, ...).

If you're able to help us, come and join us (contact me via the emailadress mentioned at the sourceforge page)
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby doktor5000 » Nov 3rd, '15, 21:02

Just for curiosity ...

For one of the points covered in your FAQ, and because you also mentioned drive "lettering":
http://sourceforge.net/p/linuxefficiencyscripts/wiki/FAQ/ wrote:For the 2nd script:
Basically, the whole linux directory tree, and the names of the standard mount points are unlogical. This script creates order out of the chaos, and hereby increases the time/work efficiency for the user.

So we have grown and accepted standards like posix and FHS, but you think that those are not logical and the whole directory tree should be renamed - which makes it deviate from usual standards but makes it more logical?

Also the topic mentions scripts to update any linux distro - I was thinking about scripts that can trigger software updates on any distro. Seems nothing like that is planned?

Totally apart from that, a tarball of over 230 MB in size for a few scripts and config files - seems absolutely overkill to me.
You include whole programs in there, like a complete firefox, abiword, complete LXDE set of programs and others. And even a flashplayer plugin - are you even allowed to redistribute it that way?
I don't get the point why you include all the debian packages in the tarball when you only want to dsitribute a few scripts?
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby Ecocomputing » Nov 4th, '15, 18:12

doktor5000 wrote:So we have grown and accepted standards like posix and FHS, but you think that those are not logical and the whole directory tree should be renamed - which makes it deviate from usual standards but makes it more logical?

For the drive lettering, read the text files/scripts (download the unfinished bundle and check it out for more details)

doktor5000 wrote:Also the topic mentions scripts to update any linux distro - I was thinking about scripts that can trigger software updates on any distro. Seems nothing like that is planned?

Hmm, well no. I think you're thinking of the update along the lines of a simple update of packages. That's not what it's about. Instead, it's about adding software that is essential to any linux distro, but which most people don't think of downloading at all. So it's about adding new packages, rather than updating existing ones.

doktor5000 wrote:Totally apart from that, a tarball of over 230 MB in size for a few scripts and config files - seems absolutely overkill to me.
You include whole programs in there, like a complete firefox, abiword, complete LXDE set of programs and others. And even a flashplayer plugin - are you even allowed to redistribute it that way?
I don't get the point why you include all the debian packages in the tarball when you only want to dsitribute a few scripts?

Yes, I'm thinking of adding a github repository to adress these issues. Repository will be posted at https://github.com/linuxscripts/Linuxefficiencyscripts/
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby doktor5000 » Nov 4th, '15, 22:21

Ecocomputing wrote:
doktor5000 wrote:So we have grown and accepted standards like posix and FHS, but you think that those are not logical and the whole directory tree should be renamed - which makes it deviate from usual standards but makes it more logical?

For the drive lettering, read the text files/scripts (download the unfinished bundle and check it out for more details)

So you assume users who don't know what your project is about, to download all the scripts, read and understand all the scripts and try them out to simply understand what the basic intention was with those scripts?
I don't understand it from the description and FAQs you provide, what the gain would be. And how those scripts can make my box faster ... sounds pretty lurid to me.
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby Ecocomputing » Nov 7th, '15, 16:04

doktor5000 wrote:So you assume users who don't know what your project is about, to download all the scripts, read and understand all the scripts and try them out to simply understand what the basic intention was with those scripts?
I don't understand it from the description and FAQs you provide, what the gain would be. And how those scripts can make my box faster ... sounds pretty lurid to me.

I don't expect people to try them out to simply understand what the basic intention was; rather I expect some users may want to boost their computing efficiency/speed. Contributing to aid in gaining all speed/efficiency increase then also doesn't strike me as an enormous extra step from there.

The scripts download is now very small, as per your suggestion to use github. See
https://github.com/linuxscripts/Linuxefficiencyscripts/
I don't know what else I can do to improve things.

Exactly what isn't clear to understand from the FAQ (http://sourceforge.net/p/linuxefficiencyscripts/wiki/FAQ/) ?
Depending on your answers, I can improve the text then.
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby doktor5000 » Nov 7th, '15, 18:13

Ecocomputing wrote:rather I expect some users may want to boost their computing efficiency/speed. Contributing to aid in gaining all speed/efficiency increase then also doesn't strike me as an enormous extra step from there.
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Exactly what isn't clear to understand from the FAQ (http://sourceforge.net/p/linuxefficiencyscripts/wiki/FAQ/) ?
Depending on your answers, I can improve the text then.


I tried to tell you already. As an example, I read the FAQ thoroughly, read the project description and briefly crossread some of the scripts.
I still don't have an idea what the intention is or why I would want to use them them.

And how exactly will those scripts help me gaining speed/efficiency in particular. Sounds like sham to me.
E.g. by switching to openbox and using conky, and removing some busybox binaries my efficiency will not be increased.
You should probably improve the description next, not necessarily the FAQ.

But good luck with your endeavors.
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby Ecocomputing » Nov 9th, '15, 14:19

doktor5000 wrote:You should probably improve the description next, not necessarily the FAQ.


I updated the https://github.com/linuxscripts/Linuxefficiencyscripts description.
The speed increases are mainly on the browser, as for the main speed increase for the OS itself: obviously most benefit would be attained if users start from a cleaned distro (so just the core distro, with no programs installed). Not all distro's have such a version of their distro. Some (like slitaz, tinycore, ...) do have core versions though.
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Re: Help on scripts to update any linux distro

Postby Ecocomputing » Nov 18th, '15, 14:53

See https://sourceforge.net/projects/linuxe ... pts/files/
I updated the LES scripts (the ones that all ready worked) a bit, now using pale moon rather than firefox.
There's an updater for the configs now, so you can see what changes are done on the browser (and so where the speed increases lie); see also https://github.com/linuxscripts/Pale-Moon_mods_for_LES
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