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Postby calinburloiu » Nov 14th, '12, 12:11

Hello,

I give Mageia a try and I like it except for one thing that made me decide not to use it. There is no support for the Romanian keyboard with Alt Gr, known in Windows Vista/7/8 as "Romanian (Programmers)" which has the following mapping:

    Alt Gr + a -> ă
    Alt Gr + q -> â
    Alt Gr + i -> î
    Alt Gr + s -> ș
    Alt Gr + t -> ț

This mapping is the default one in Ubuntu and Linux Mint.

However, Mageia supports the old Romanian keyboard (known as "standard" in Ubuntu and Windows Vista/7/8) mapping which is less and less used today:

    \ -> ă
    [ -> â
    ] -> î
    ; -> ș
    ' -> ț

Please provide support for Alt Gr Romanian keyboard, a de facto standard in other Linux distributions and available in newer versions of Windows as "Romanian (Programmers)".

Thank you!
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby doktor5000 » Nov 14th, '12, 20:40

If you want this to be implemented, please report it as a feature request via a bug report: https://wiki.mageia.org/en/How_to_report_a_bug_properly
so it can be assigned to the correct person who can implement this, or maybe it's just due to a misconfiguration or so.

FWIW, there are two Romanian keyboard layouts to select, QWERTZ and QWERTY, both do not work as expected?
And as a workaround, you may want to look at https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?pid=863877
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby serban » May 15th, '14, 19:49

Up!
The "programmer" keyboard was available in Mandriva 2009.0 and 2009.1, which I still run on some servers.
It is named like that because at the time of it's development there was already a "Standard" one (labeled as such by Microsoft).

Please add it back to Mageia.
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby doktor5000 » May 18th, '14, 15:15

Please read my last reply - did you write a bug report? Which romanian keyboard layout did you choose exactly?
Did you look at the linked Arch forum thread?
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby serban » May 19th, '14, 17:30

Thank you for the quick reply!
No, I have not written a bug.
I have chosen US keyboard, but I also checked standard keyboard, QWERTY/Z variants.

As far as I understood the Arch link, the guy wanted "standard" (the variant that Mageia offers) and he got Programmers (what I want).
In order to switch, he was advised to add:
Option "XkbLayout" "us, ro(std)"
which worked for him.
I also tried, blindely:
Option "XkbLayout" "ro(programmer)"
and
Option "XkbLayout" "ro(programmers)"
but it only disabled the romanian keyboard.
Is this what you meant I should do?
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby doktor5000 » May 19th, '14, 20:57

Xkblayout doesn't understand "programmer" as a variant. And from a quick search I've only found programmer layout only in combination with Dvorak keyboard.
Is this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Sim ... rak_layout what you want?
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby serban » May 19th, '14, 22:38

Romanian programmer keyboard is a QWERTY US (or UK) layout only augmented by the "right ALT" key to produce romanian (and also polish) specific letters and signs like euro and copyright. For example, "Right ALT"+"a" yields "ă" ("a" with a hat).
Here is a picture of it, altought I am not sure that it is 100% percent accurate (might be a little improved):
http://www.robodesign.ro/files/linux/xkbd-ro.jpg
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby linuxbrad » Dec 14th, '15, 23:18

Hello,

I have logged a feature request "bug" on the Mageia bug tracker: https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17333 I hope that helps.

I find this layout very useful for writing in Romanian and it can also support other accented characters for French, Spanish and Portuguese.

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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby doktor5000 » Dec 15th, '15, 01:10

See my comments on the bug, and see whether you can load the mentioned layout "cedilla" and if that's the one you want.
From reading the comments in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ro it seems the default "basic" layout is the that is described in this thread.

This is what it looks like in the preview under KDE:
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby linuxbrad » Dec 15th, '15, 04:47

doktor5000 wrote:See my comments on the bug, and see whether you can load the mentioned layout "cedilla" and if that's the one you want.
From reading the comments in /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/ro it seems the default "basic" layout is the that is described in this thread.

This is what it looks like in the preview under KDE:
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Hello!

I have successfully loaded the "ro 'cedilla' " variant and it works as expected and desired. I know you've noted in Bug 17333 that the issue around all the variant keyboards for a given language not displaying in keyboarddrake is possibly covered in another old bug. It would be a "nice to have" if keyboarddrake showed all the available options.

I'll try to hunt up the old bug and post a link to it here.

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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby doktor5000 » Dec 15th, '15, 11:10

I've already found the old bugeport I was thinking of, see https://bugs.mageia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15732#c2

* Also, when it does appear for a language, it would be nice to have all
possible keyboards for that language selectable.
There seem to be many more keyboards nowadays than drakx-kbd-mouse-x11 knows
about (including even Dutch "ij/IJ" and Breton "c'h/C'H" ones). I know way
too little and haven't managed to find the needed information to fix that.
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Re: Romanian Keyboard

Postby linuxbrad » Dec 19th, '15, 23:50

As additional background I found this article: http://kitblog.com/2008/10/romanian_diacritic_marks.html This gist of it is that the correct Romanian form of the 's' and 't' is with a comma underneath and NOT a cedilla. Therefore, the correct keyboard layout for Romanian is the "basic" which gives you 'ș', 'ț', 'ă' ,'â', and 'î' in the correct form as per the International Standard ISO/IEC 8859-16 (Latin 10).

Using the information provided in Bug 17333, I've now set my keyboard to "ro 'basic' " to be the most correct.

I am learning new stuff about this every day it seems...

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